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Hi everyone: I can't believe all the information I've received. thanks to everyone who responded. Yes this is William and he married Helen Murphy. in the US. I have noticed in several Catholic Baptisms that when the person marries and contacts the original church for a baptismal certificate (needed to prove religion) often the priest will note where and when the person is married, This is especially common in rural Irish churches where the person married in North America. I have discovered a death record in Liverpool in 1893, two years after the marriage for a Thomas born in 1865 age 28. Just have to find what happened to Julia in 1901 census. cheers Rona

I'm back!

I'm beginning to think that Julia never went the US and may have reverted to her maiden name?


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007


Name:Julia Maher

Birth Date:abt 1871

Date of Registration:Dec 1952

Age at Death:81

Registration district:Liverpool South

Inferred County:Lancashire

Volume:10d

Page:631

Brilliant!

I can't see the Nielan family on any census in the UK :-S

A tree on Ancestry has Thomas as 'died at sea'

However the tree owner does not have any supporting evidence

The name Helen E Murphy was on that baptism Gins so good confirmation from that census.

Looks like William married a 'Murphy'



1920 United States Federal Census


Name:
William Niland
[William Neilan]
[William Neilan]
[William Nerland]
[William Heiland]

Age:38

Birth Year:abt 1882

Birthplace:England

Home in 1920:Belleville Ward 2, Essex, New Jersey

Street:Harrison St

Race:White

Gender:Male

Immigration Year:1887

Relation to Head of House:Head

Marital Status:Married

Spouse's Name:Helen Niland

Father's Birthplace:Ireland

Mother's Birthplace:Ireland

Home Owned:Rent

Naturalization Status:Naturalized

Occupation:Laborer


Household Members:



William Niland 38
Helen Niland 27
Catherine Niland 9
Mary Niland 7
[7 7/12]
Dalia Niland 5
[5 6/12]
William Niland 3
[3 4/12]
Bridget Murphy 55 <<Mother inlaw

I've not seen info like that on a baptism before!

I wonder if Julia didn't go the US?



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Julia Neilan

Birth Date:abt 1869

Date of Registration:Sep 1918

Age at Death:49

Registration district:Prescot

Inferred County:Lancashire

Volume:8b

Page:827

I 'think' the baptism note says that he married Helena E Murphy at St Peters, Newark, Belleville, New Jersey USA on 14th July 1909.

Dea x

Name: Helen E Neilan
Gender: Female
Residence Year: 1936
Street address: 233 William
Residence Place: Belleville; Nutley, New Jersey, USA
Spouse: William J Neilan
Publication Title: Belleville, New Jersey, City Directory, 1936

Thanks girls

William looks to be the Gulielmus and father Jaco* appears to change his name to James L and dies in 1901



1900 United States Federal Census


Name:William Neilan

Age:28

Birth Date:Apr 1880

Birthplace:England

Home in 1900:
Manhattan, New York, New York

Race:White

Gender:Male

Immigration Year:1888

Relation to Head of House:Son

Marital Status:Single

Father's Name:
James L Neilan

Father's Birthplace:
Ireland

Mother's name:
Catherine Neilan

Mother's Birthplace:
Scotland

Household Members:


Name

Age


James L Neilan 58
Catherine Neilan 58
Patrick G Neilan 28
James Neilan 26
John Neilan 23
Katie Neilan 21
William Neilan 28

William NEILAN
Birth: 1880
Death: 1943
Burial:
Saint Peters Churchyard
Belleville
Essex County
New Jersey, USA

http://www.findagrave.com/

(not sure Gins, but address matches above!)

(with him)

Helen NEILAN
Birth: 1891
Death: 1969

Chris :)

Afraid my Latin is non existent Gins but the note mentions a Julie Ann and the year 1909. It also mentions a Helena E. Murphy.

This looks a brother to Thomas. There is some additional info on the baptism record but I cant make sense of it other than it mentions NJ USA?


Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906


Name:Gulielmus Neilan

Birth Date:17 Apr 1880

Baptism Date:8 May 1880

Parish:St Joseph's, Lancashire, England

Father's Name:
Jacobi Neilan

Mother's name:
Catherinae Shannon


Can anyone make it out?

(lol Sylvia, another one 'New', and needs getting used to!)

Chris :)

Rest of his immediate family had emigrated to New York USA in 1888.

(you gave above Rona, but no names!, Ancestry would also have details)

Chris


Boy, is that new Beta site different


It told me they didn't have any of my details from joining several years ago. I've had to rejoin!

re this




Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Thomas Neilan
Name: Thomas Neilan
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1862
Departure Date: 8 May 1895
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Philadelphia, USA
Ship Name: Ohio
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ohio' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Bogs



the only additional information on the information was that his occupation was Labourer

Tks Jacqueline : this sounds like the right family. It really helps to have her age. Now I just have to trace what happened after 1891. and if Beverley has found the right Thomas emigrating in 1895- I need to discover why he is not with Julia and why he went to Philadelphia when all his family are settled in New Jersey.- everyone has been a great help in this search- thankyou all Rona

In case you don't know, for some reason of which I am not aware, Bernard and Brian are interchangeable in the Irish community.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Sawney Pope Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Michal Marr Son Single Male 21 1860 Dock Porter Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Bridget Marr Widow Head Widow Female 40 1841 Hawker Mayo, Ireland Transcription
John Marr Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Patrick Marr Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Julia Marr Daughter Single Female 10 1871 School Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Brian Marr Son Single Male 8 1873 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary Marr Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Hawker Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Do you know how old Julia was when she married, so that we can try to look for her

Actually, that's probably a silly question, as you didn't know who Thomas married when you posted your request.......

ADDED

I suspect this is her in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lionel Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bridget Maher Head Widow Female 50 1841 Fish Hawker Ireland Transcription
John Maher Son - Male 24 1867 Dock Labourer Liverpool Transcription
Mary Maher Daughter Single Female 28 1863 Domestic Servant Liverpool Transcription
Julia Maher Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Shop Assistant Liverpool Transcription
Bernard Maher Son Single Male 18 1873 Flower Seller Liverpool Transcription
John Barrett Boarder Single Male 21 1870 Flower Seller Bradford Transcription
Patrick Maher Son Married Male 22 1869 Dock Labourer Bradford Transcription
Michael Maher Son Single Male 30 1861 Dock Labourer Bradford

Thank you to everyone who responded. Unfortunately I made a mistake with the name it was Julia not Catherine and the marriage took place in Holy Cross Liverpool.. It is after that that the couple appear to vanish. Unless she died and he travelled alone to join his family. I was confused because this Thomas sailed for Philadelphia not New York. Did Julia appear in any of the subsequent census in Liverpool.