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Yes that's Olive, they had 4 children

I know Frank had a son eho I have been told way Roy but no other info

Ivy married Erick Hepworth and had 2 children

Doris married Jack Danes and had 2 children

and Charles had a daughter Jean

This info has all been told to me from family and is something that i need to go through to confirm dates and even spouses in some instances
The nice thing about my grandmother whom is 83 is she can tell me things but sometimes it's names there known by not what they were necessarily born as lol

Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) CONSTANCE IVY
Last name SPENCER
Birth year 1908
Place BOLSOVER
Reference BOLB/24/263
Register office Chesterfield
Subdistrict Bolsover
County Derbyshire


Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Spencer Constance Ivy Chesterfield 7b 798


1911 (reference)
John Henry Spencer Head Married Male 41 1870 Notts Carlton Worksop Farm Labourer
Elizabeth Spencer Wife Married Female 35 1876 Derbyshire Codner -
Olive May Spencer Daughter - Female 13 1898 Notts Worksop School
Frank Spencer Son - Male 6 1905 Notts Worksop -
Jesie Spencer Daughter - Female 4 1907 Notts Worksop -
Ivy Spencer Daughter - Female 2 1909 Derbyshire Bolsover
Address Hodsock Woodhouse Carlton Worksop
Parish Hodsock
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Worksop
Census reference RG14PN20243 RG78PN1212 RD427 SD2 ED2 SN34


(from above, wondered about below)

County Nottinghamshire
Place Carlton in Lindrick
Church St John
RegisterNumber 40
MarriageDate 23 Aug 1935
GroomForename Eric
GroomSurname HEPWORTH
GroomAge 31
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Farmer
GroomAbode Todwick
BrideForename Constance Ivy
BrideSurname SPENCER
BrideAge 26
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode N Carlton
GroomFatherForename Hiriam
GroomFatherSurname HEPWORTH
GroomFatherOccupation Farmer
BrideFatherForename John Henry
BrideFatherSurname SPENCER
BrideFatherOccupation Surface Worker
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname SPENCER
WitnessTwoForename Olive
WitnessTwoSurname WRIGHT

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


(possible Olive below?)

Marriages Sep 1927 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Morpus Gertrude Winter Worksop 7b 124
Spencer Olive Wright Worksop 7b 124
Winter Joseph S Morpus Worksop 7b 124
Wright Harold Spencer Worksop 7b 124

Chris :)

Thank you I'd found that same burial information for Alfred, so at least my eyes haven't been completely closed :-)
Love the news info, defiantly sounds like a few in the family ;-) lol
Was just hoping to find a baptism on Alfred to confirm his parents ;-/
Thank You so much for the info on Elizabeth (Bennett) would it be common for them to use their "step" maiden name on children's birth certificates and their actual birth name on the wedding certificates?

Thank You again
Sarah

Emma Bennett daughter of Thomas Bennett married 1856 to George Jepson.
Emma had a daughter Elizabeth Bennett 1848/9 in North Anston Yorkshire/ Notts.

Elizabeth Bennett married Charles Spencer Sheffield 1867 A/M/J .V9c P 359

Maryb

Hoaps Alfred 1836 — 1871 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Longdon, Lichfield, Staffordshire

(as above on FMP!)

Chris :)

Derbyshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Selina
Last name Heaps
Birth date 14 Jan 1870
Baptism year 1870
Baptism day 13
Baptism month Feb
Place Calow St Peter
Parents Alfred & Ellen
Father's occupation Potter
Residence Calow
County Derbyshire
Country England


Doncaster Burials Transcription (Find My Past)
First names(s) Alfred
Last name Heaps
Death year 1901
Burial year 1901
Burial date 20 Nov 1901
Parish Tickhill St Mary
Residence Pinfold Lane Tickhill
County Yorkshire
Country England


(1901 Ancestry, Alfred Harps) (1901 FMP, Alfred Heaps)


28 February 1881 - York Herald - York, North Yorkshire, England

DONCASTER
Alfred Heaps, hawker, Tickhill, for being drunk and refusing to quit the White Hart Inn, Wadworth, when requested, on the 19th inst., fined 10s and 25s costs.


edits (below probably relate)


County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church St John
RegisterNumber 173
MarriageDate 01 Jun 1898
GroomForename Samuel
GroomSurname HEAPS
GroomAge 24
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Earthern Ware Dealer
GroomAbode Pinfold Lane Tickhill
BrideForename Edith
BrideSurname POPPITT
BrideAge 24
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Kilton Road Worksop
GroomFatherForename Alfred
GroomFatherSurname HEAPS
GroomFatherOccupation Earthern Ware Dealer
BrideFatherForename George
BrideFatherSurname POPPITT
BrideFatherOccupation Miner
WitnessOneForename Thomas Edward
WitnessOneSurname POPPITT
WitnessTwoForename Sarah
WitnessTwoSurname POPPITT
Notes Other witnesses Lily Poppitt. Thomas Cunnington

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) DELIAH
Last name HEAPS
Birth year 1841
Place CHAPEL-EN-LE-FRITH
Reference CB/02/071
Register office 395
Subdistrict Chapel-en-le-Frith
County Derbyshire


Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Carlton in Lindrick
Church St John
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 17 Apr 1870
Forename Joh Henry
Sex M
FatherForename Charles
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname SPENCER
MotherSurname
Abode Carlton
FatherOccupation Labourer

(also from link above)

If you google Cinementi Boswell it gives info on her parentage and the Romany connections.

Maryb

it's still not pulling up for me on find my past though! must be doing something wrong lol

Can any one see a baptism for Alfred at all?

Thank you again, i feel like i find quiet a bit and then hit a brick wall which other people don't see lol

Pleasure, Sarah :-)

Brilliant thank you

This one?

1871


Name: Alfred Heaps
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Heaps
Gender: Male
Where born: Snelston, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Longdon
Town: Longdon
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Rugeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 2918
Folio: 84
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Heaps 35
Ellen Heaps 30
Jane Heaps 13
Mary Ann Heaps 11
Eliza Heaps 10
Emma Heaps 8
Henry Heaps 4
Alfred Heaps 3
Selena Heaps 2

and also Alfred Heaps in 1871!

Can anybody see them on the 1901 census, i'm struggling again, think i'm going to fall out with this family lol

Sorry busy few days and then not been well :-(

think I was tiered read it as they'd only been married 10 years!

I'm seeing my dad tomorrow so will have to talk to him, no mention of gypsies on this side of the family had ever come up but i'd never asked either, it's might be something that when I mention to my grandma she then remembers

Thank you

Wonder if Cinamat in 1851 is actually Lucy's daughter in law? This looks like Alfred's parents marriage.


Text: John Heaps, chair-bottomer, & Cinementi Boswell 22 Sep 1828
Book: Derby all Saints' Marriages, 1813--1837. (Marriage)
Collection: Derbyshire: - Registers of Marriages, 1558-1837a

This looks like Alfred Heaps in 1851

Name: Alfred Heaps
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Grandson
Mother's name: Cinamat Heaps
Gender: Male
Where born: N
Civil Parish: Carlton in Lindrick
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 2122
Folio: 292
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Lucy Heaps 61 says about 61 on image
Cinamat Heaps 50
Alfred Heaps 15
Henry Heaps 13
John Heaps 12
Coliah Heaps 11
Deliah Heaps 9


Under occupation, it states for all of them "Gypsies living in Tents". Birthplace for all of them N. K.

The children of John and Elizabeth Spencer will show after 1911 as Spencer/Heaps births, as on free bmd, surely? (Which is what Violet appears as)

If they married in 1892, and Olive May is 13 in 1911, how does that mean she was born before the marriage?

OK


Have I got this correct?


Elizabeth Heaps married John Henry Spencer

John Henry Spencer was the son of Charles Spencer and Elizabeth Jepson .......... but you have never found that marriage

You have never found Elizabeth Jepson's birth ........ allegedly in Codnor, Derbyshire (census), father Alfred (marriage certificate)


Maddie found that birth register entry for you

Maddie Report 25 Sep 2014 17:57


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Elizabeth Heaps
Name: Elizabeth Heaps
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 26 Oct 1873
Baptism Place: Codnor and Loscoe,Derby,England
Father: Alfred Heaps
Mother: Ellen
FHL Film Number: 1042035



PH is suggesting that her research seems to indicate that Elizabeth Jepson who married Charles Spencer was born Elizabeth Heaps, daughter of Emma Heaps who married George Jepson in 1859 .................. 10 years after Elizabeth was born

would any body be able to look how many children John Henry and Elizabeth Heaps had please
in the 1911 census it says she has had 9 children and 5 are alive my great grandmother Violet wasn't born till 1914 so I know she hadn't stopped :-)
Also the 1911 census says Olive may is older than the marriage but it does say Heaps on my great grandmothers birth certificate

Thank you again

There are two Elizabeth's

Elizabeth Jepson was the mother in law of Elizabeth Heaps!

I don't have either of their births yet and only the marriage certificate of Elizabeth Heaps and John Henry Spencer stating that Alfred Heaps is her father

:-)

Was Elizabeth Jepson born Jepson please?


1861


Name: Elizabeth Jepson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Jepson
Mother's name: Emma Jepson
Gender: Female
Where born: Anston, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2418
Folio: 38
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Jepson 30
Emma Jepson 37
Elizabeth Jepson 12
Mary Jepson 5
George Jepson 3
Emma Jepson 1

7 years between Elizabeth and Emma so was wondering if George was her stepfather?



Name: George Jepson
Registration Year: 1859
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Worksop
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 56
Records on Page:
Name
Cennementer Heaps <<<<
George Jepson
William Mellors
Mary Stephenson