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Ann

How does that birth fit in with the info given by Kaye?

Kaye

Do you have any documents to back up your statements?

Your grandmother's birth cert is an absolute necessity, I would think

That Painter / Osborne marriage was the one I posted, then discarded this morning.

Name: Emma Sophia Painter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 19
Spouse: Alfred Walter Osborne, Gas Stoker
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1897
Parish: St George the Martyr, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Henry Painter, Cab Driver
Spouse Father: Alfred Walter Osborne, Gas Stoker
Register Type: Parish Register

This is that couple in 1901 (not seeing them yet in 1911)

Name: Alfred W Osborne
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emma S Osborne
Birth Place: Battersea, London, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 444
Folio: 100
Page Number: 39
Household schedule number: 242
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred W Osborne 24
Emma S Osborne 22
Alfred W Osborne 2
Ethel A Osborne 11/12

Still together in 1911, so I don't think that is the correct Emma

Name: Alfred Walter Osborn
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Pagden St, Battersea
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Occupation: GAS STOKER
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 2163
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Walter Osborn 34
Emma Sophia Osborn 32
Alfred Osborn 12
Emily Edith Osborn 9
Ethel Myra Osborn 7
Ellen Louisa Osborn 5
Harry William Osborn 4
Annie Osborn 2
George William Osborn 0

Westminster Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) EMMA SOPHIA
Last name PAINTER
Birth year 1879
Birth day 1
Birth month Jan
Baptism year 1881
Baptism day 10
Baptism month Jan
Parish St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
Father's first name(s) Henry (Cab Driver)
Mother's first name(s) Annie
County Middlesex
Page 158
Record set Westminster Baptisms
(abode, 14, Horseferry Road)


(for 1879 Birth, same time, George William, John Henry, William Thomas)

Chris :)

The woman who died as Thorogood is almost certainly the one on the 1911, and her mother was EMILY Sophia Painter

Yes, I quite agree Jacqueline.

I posted further details of the Emma Sophia Painter that the poster seems to have assumed was her ancestor in an attempt to reinforce your findings :-)

EDIT

Not sure where the School Teacher and Devon come into this.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)
Name: Charles Richard Painter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 May 1880 (Born Jan 29)
Father's Name: John Painter (Toy Maker)
Mother's name: Emma Painter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great


Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
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Painter Charles Richard Holborn 1b 866


(Brother on 1901 posted earlier)

Chris :)

1881 (Find My Past)
John Painter Head Married Male 60 1821 Toy Maker Bath, Somerset, England
Emma Painter Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Middlesex, England
John E Painter Son Single Male 19 1862 Waiter (Eating House) St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Emily S Painter Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Burnisher St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Arthur Painter Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Charles R Painter Son Single Male 1 1880 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
House number 20
Street Rose Street
Parish St Luke
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Holborn
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 364
Folio 15
Page 21


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(worth a look for Burials on above)

Name: Sidney Edwin Wright
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1896
Baptism Place: Islington, London, England
Church: St Paul Clerkenwell
Father: Charles James Wright
Mother: Emily Sophia Wright


Name: Emily Zillah Wright
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1897, b. 14 Feb 1897
Baptism Place: Islington, London, England
Church: St Paul Clerkenwell
Father: Charles Wright
Mother: Emily Sophy Wright



Name: Emily Zillah Hughes
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1897
Date of Registration: Mar 1970
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 614

Good move rootgatherer

We just have to hope that Kaye absorbs the info, and follows the advice given about getting documents