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Hi Choccy,

Thank you sooooooooooo much.

Wendy

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

20 Burleigh Road Loughborough, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England


Bernard Smith Head Married Male 51 1860 Nottingham Chemical Analyst

Emma Smith Wife Married Female 39 1872 Nottingham -

Ethel Smith Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Loughborough Leicestershire -

Dorothy Smith Daughter - Female 14 1897 Loughborough Leicestershire -

Marion Smith Daughter - Female 12 1899 Loughborough Leicestershire School

Bernard Smith Son - Male 10 1901 Loughborough Leicestershire School

Amelia Dann Niece Single Female 15 1896 Nottingham Hosiery Hands Pants And Shirts

RG14 PN19116 RD405 SD1 ED18 SN186

Married 18 years - 4 children born and still living

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

19, Gladstone Street, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England


John Smith Head Married Male 40 1861 Agricultural Chemist Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,

Emma Smith Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,

Ethel Smith Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Loughborough, Leicestershire,

Dorothy Smith Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Loughborough, Leicestershire,

Marion Smith Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Loughborough, Leicestershire,

Bernard Smith Son - Male 0 1901 - Loughborough, Leicestershire,

Annie Sharp Servant Single Female 19 1882 General Servant (Domestic) Netherseal, Derbyshire, England

RG13
Piece number 2976
Folio 172
Page 1

Hi Choccy,

Thank you it does look like they didn't marry.

Could I be cheeky and ask you for all the details of the 1901 and 1911 census of Emma please.

Sorry to be a pain :-(

Wendy

Think you're probably right about Emma Smith being Emma Burton, but can't find a marriage. On the 1901 census Emma's husband is 'John' as opposed to 'Bernard' on the 1911 census. Assume he was either John Bernard or Bernard John.

Hi Choccy,

Sorry been out all day.

Thank you sooooo much that's great, I wounder if the Emma Smith on the 1911 census is Emma Burton born 1871/2 Nottingham sister of Amelia's Dann's mother Amelia.

Wendy

hi Kath,

Thank you for all your help, you take care.

All the best

Wendy

1911 England Census


Name:Ernest Dann

Age in 1911:18

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1893

Gender:Male

Birth Place:Nottingham

Civil Parish:Sheerness
County/Island:Kent

Street address:Military Barracks, Garrison Sheerness

Marital Status:Single

Military Unit:18 Company R G A

Registration district:Sheppey

Registration District Number:62
Sub registration district:Minster
ED, institution, or vessel:15-16
Piece:4465

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name:Ernest Dann
Gender:Male
Birth Date:abt 1892
Birth Place:Nottingham, Nottingham, England
Age:18
Document Year:1910
Regimental Number:34107
Regiment Name:Royal Res Artillery(Royal Garrison Artillery
Form Title:Short Service Attestation
Number of Images:27

Parents - Ernest and Amelia - 34 Raglan Street, Nottingham

(proceeded to South Africa under the Overseas Settlement Scheme)

1911 England Census

Name: Amelia Dann

Age in 1911: 15

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896

Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place:Nottingham, England

Civil Parish:Loughborough
County/Island:Leicestershire
Country:England

Street address: 20 Burleigh Rd Lobro

Marital Status:Single

Occupation:Hosiery Hand

Registration district:Loughborough

Bernard Smith 51
Emma Smith 39
Ethel Smith 15
Dorothy Smith 14
Marion Smith 12
Bernard Smith 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Amelia Dann 15

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 19116.

Hi Wendy

Still recovering from my op, just logging in on my laptop whilst pain relief kicks in !!!

I had another quick look for Amelia senr, and wonder if she could be in some hospital or Sanatorium in 1911. Not familiar with the ones around Nottingham at that time, so will pass that back to you

Also noted Ernest junr and Amelia junr are missing, they could be more easily explained, working away from home perhaps.

Kath

hi Kath,

You are up early this morning. Thank you sooo much I to cannot find anything on her she not coming up on the index's and cannot find a death either.

Well at least we are making some progress with the Burton's still cannot find anything for her mother Elizabeth or sister Emma, think I'm going to have to wait for the archives to reopen and look at burials and marriages for them.

Again Thank you so much and I hope you are well.

All the best

Wendy

Hi Wendy

I can find Ernest in 1911 at 34 Raglan Street Nottingham

Children still at home with him
Rose age 19
Ethel age 16
Annie age 14
Leonard age 10
And another son born after 1901- Alfred age 8

I haven't done a thorough search for Amelia yet. It doesn't say that Ernest was a Widower.

Kath

Hi Sylvia and Kath,

Sorry but you have the wrong birth our Amelia for this Amelia was born 12 July 1874 Edward and Elizabeth must have had another daughter Amelia there was one born 1866 and died Sept Qtr1874 same qtr as the second Amelia was born. the refrence
And Kath bingo you found her thank you, her mother's maiden name was Streets :-D :-D :-D

Could you find her or Ernest Dann or any of their children on the 1911 census please.

Wendy

I saw that Amelia Burton marrying Ernest Dann ........

.................. but I discounted it after researching the censuses because the age difference was so great ......... and it was consistent.



The Amelia born of Edward Burton was apparently born in 1866.

The one who married Ernest Dann was consistently born ca 1873


That's a big difference!


even if she lied because she was marrying a younger man :-)



To be sure ................ you'll have to buy that marriage certificate, and see who is named as Amelia's father.

Hi Wendy,

In 1891 Amelia & Ernest Dann are living in Quorndon , Leics. in the household of Widower John Streets age 73.
They are shown married, age 20 for Ernest, 18 for Amelia and Nephew & Niece of John S

In 1901 they are back in Nottingham at 44 Moffatt Street
Children
Rose 9 born Quorn
Ernest 8
Ethel 6
Amelia 5
Annie 4
Leonard 2 months

All born Nottingham except for Rose.

Hope this helps

Kath

Hi All,

After doing some goolging on the Burtons I found a reference where someone has Amelia Burton marrying Ernest Dann on 31 Jan 1891 in Nottingham says she was 18yrs and her abode was 4 Roden Street. Ernest Dann was born abt 1870/1

Could you please have a look for her on 1891-1911 census please.

Thank you

Wendy.

Sorry to be pain :-(

Hi Sylvia and all

Thank you so much that's them on 1871 census but gives another child. The Amelia that I found was christened on 30 March 1887 at Mary's Church Nottingham and says born 12 July 1874 and of Roden St. If only we could find them on 1881 census.

I have now found Edward Burton's (Bulwell) burial on 18 July 1891 at St Catherines Church Yard say of Rowden St think that should be Roden St.

all the best

Wendy

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Edward Burton

Name: Edward Burton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Nottingham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 155

1891 Census

Name: Edward Burton
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Burton
Gender: Male
Where born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 36

Piece: 2699
Folio: 18
Page Number: 32

Edward Burton 54 Framework Knitter
Elizabeth Burton 57 b.ca 1834, Loughborough
Emma Burton 20 b.ca 1871, Nottinghamshire, Seamer
Mary E Holbrook 20 Boarder
Hedley V Scothorn 25 Boarder

Address:- 4 Roden St



I do not think Emma is Amelia!

Amelia on the 1871 was born in 1866

Emma is born in 1871



???? Amelia in 1881 .......... I think it is Burton on the image


1881 Census

Name: Amelia Barton
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Walkeringham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: North Wheatley
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Wheatley Wood

Occupation: Nursemaid
Registration district: East Retford
Sub registration district: Gringley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Piece: 3299
Folio: 80
Page Number: 3

William A. Maltby 36 Farmer
Mary Maltby 37
William A. Maltby 1
Fanny Maltby 30
Henry C. Awckland 16
Ada Allen 18
Amelia Barton 14
Edward Holmes 25
Thomas Newstead 21
William Kettlebro 15