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GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
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First name(s) AGNES M
Last name WELLER
Year range 1890
Place NOWGONG
Country INDIA
Regiment Royal Artillery
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 374
Page 141
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

Name: Esther Lavinia Weller
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 May 1895
Christening Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1895
Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C82927-3 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523874

Name: William Henry Coles
Birth Date: 1877
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Evelyn Catherine Weller
Spouse's Birth Date: 1884
Spouse's Age: 18
Event Date: 17 Dec 1902
Event Place: Parel, Bombay, India
Father's Name: William Samuel Coles
Spouse's Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00206-9 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523889

Name: Walter Scott
Birth Date: 1877
Age: 35
Spouse's Name: Lilian Phoebe Weller
Spouse's Birth Date: 1891
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 23 Apr 1912
Event Place: Bombay, India
Father's Name: Wallis Scott
Spouse's Father's Name: William Weller
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00208-6 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523897

Name: Archibald Stanley Butterefield
Birth Date: 1890
Age: 23
Spouse's Name: Agnes Margaret Weller
Spouse's Birth Date: 1892
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 13 Sep 1913
Event Place: Bombay, Bombay, India
Father's Name: Alfred L. Butterfield
Spouse's Father's Name: William Weller
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00210-5 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523900 , Reference ID: vol 110

Possible marriage for John and Mary? John was a gunner with 2nd Battalion Artillery.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 25 Jan 1849
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Hilton
Place Madras
Presidency Madras
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 14
Groom's father's first name Sarah Thomas (reads son of Thomas)
Groom's father's last name Weller
Bride's father's first name William
Bride's father's last name Hilton
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948
Archive reference N-2-28
Folio number 82


and his death?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Weller
Birth year 1825
Death date 15 Apr 1858
Death year 1858
Age 33
Burial date 16 Apr 1858
Place Madras,St Mary
Presidency Madras
Archive Reference N-2-39
Folio -
Page 95



British India Office Wills of Soldiers Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Weller
Title Bombardier
Presidency Madras
Death year 1858
Death date 15 Apr 1858
Event year 1859
Place -
Record type Inventory
Catalogue description Wills of Soldiers - Treasury deposits, Madras vol 5

Thank you for all this. I did know about William Thomas' children as Mary Eliz was my Grandmother, but not that both he & his father were in the army. Was his father (John) also born in India then? No record of W T's death? The Irish connection must go back a very long way then.
Is there any way of finding out when the children left India for UK & what happened to them & their families? I obviously know about my side and also Evy Coles side & that some of the others came to UK as there are family photos, but I can't trace them in records.
Many thanks

Agnes Margaret's husband. His place of death was 20 M'Ville Rd, Langford Town, Bangalore, he was a retired Bombay Customs officer. He died of nephritis and his next of kin were his wife, A S Butterfield and daughter, Mrs P Cobs.
His relatives in England were Mr R Butterfield (bro) of Abbots Close, Guildford, Surrey and Mr R A J Butterfield, son, of St Mary's Rd, South Norwood.
He and his wife owned the premises where he died.
He was born in Mandi, Bombay.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) Archbold Stenley
Last name Butterfield
Birth year 1891
Death date 06 Nov 1950
Death year 1950
Age 59
Place -
Presidency -
Archive Reference N-11
Folio -
Page 137



British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Archibald Stanley
Last name Butterfield
Baptism year 1891
Birth year 1891
Place Bombay,St Nicholas
Presidency Bombay
Mother's first name(s) Caroline
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Alfred L
Father's last name Butterfield
Baptism date 9 May 1891
Birth date 21 Apr 1891
Archive reference N-3-65
Folio 227


This person was looking for the Butterfields some years ago.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BUTTERFIELD/2007-09/1188925296


There is also a tree on ancestry with this family on it. They had 3 children.


and Agnes' death.


Name: Agnes M Butterfield
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Mar 1965
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 415

Possible death for Lilian Phoebe? her husband worked for the Revenue and Audit Office, Bombay Port Trust. Cause of death was Anaemid.(sic)

Possibly anaemia?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) Lilian
Last name Scott
Birth year 1892
Death date 27 Nov 1924
Death year 1924
Age 32
Burial date 28 Nov 1924
Place Nasik
Presidency Bombay
Archive Reference N-3-131
Folio -
Page 305

Thanks so much for this extra information. I knew they had 3 children, 1 son & 2 daughters, one called Pamela, presumably the Mrs P Cobs above, as I have a photo of her. So my aunt obviously came back to England after her husband died.
Very grateful for all the looking you are doing for me.

Esther Lavinia's marriage. He was a Berthing Master.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Esther Levina
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1916
Marriage date 10 May 1916
Spouse's first name Frederick Thomas
Spouse's last name Horton Parsons
Place Bombay
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 28
Bride's age 21
Groom's father's first name Frederick George
Groom's father's last name Horton Parsons
Bride's father's first name William Thomas
Bride's father's last name Weller
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-115
Folio number 223
Entry number 22

Inez, I have found a marriage for Pamela to a Coles so Cobs is possibly an error. The initials of the son is also an error as the tree I referred to has him as A A J not R A J.

Poor Dorothy Charlotte did not spend much time in this world.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) Dorothy
Last name Weller
Birth year 1894
Death date 02 Jun 1894
Death year 1894
Age 5M
Burial date 03 Jun 1894
Place Poona,St Sepulchre
Presidency Bombay
Archive Reference N-3-71
Folio -
Page 395

Wonder if this is William John's death? He was a fireman on the G. I? P. Railway.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) William
Last name Weller
Birth year 1886
Death date 12 Nov 1911
Death year 1911
Age 25
Burial date 13 Nov 1911
Place Bhusaval
Presidency Bombay
Archive Reference N-3-106
Folio -
Page 305

I don't think that is the right Lillian (Lily) Scott as I have a photo supposedly of her in UK in 1926.
I have Esther's married name as Parsous, not Parsons, so maybe that's why I haven't got anywhere - all the other names are the same.
Yes, that sounds like William John. I had never know my Grandmother had a brother until recently, but if he died young, that's probably why.
Information I have for the last sister I know of, Emma Edith, is that she married a James Burgan in India. Possibly the same person who had several sons born in UK.

I'm late joining this thread and don't want to confuse things, but wanted to mention that the baptism put up earlier (pasted below), gives William's parents as John and Mary.

However, on the military record that was put up for him, there is a document included before his marriage (where his age is given as 14 years and 7mths) which states he was born Seetang, Burmah, and his next of Kin is given as Mother SARAH, Bangalore.

Baptism
First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Weller
Baptism year 1857
Birth year 1857
Place Rangoon
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Weller
Baptism date 13 Nov 1857
Birth date 04 Aug 1857
Archive reference N-1-92
Folio 826

Ah, thank you. Obviously not the same person then. This is what I find so confusing when there are several people with the same name in the same place!

Just to recap- Details of your William Thomas Weller from his military file

Born Seetang, Burmah

He enlisted for the Royal Artillery on 18th March 1872 aged 14yrs and 7mths at Bangalore

He was Roman Catholic

Mother Sarah lived in Bangalore in 1872

He served in England Nov 1878- Jan 1879 (then returned to Bombay, India)

He married Mary Walsh 3rd June 1882 Morar- witnesses were Edward Green and Emily ?

He and Mary had 4 children baptised (listed earlier)

He was promoted from Corporal to Sergeant in August 1889

He was arrest and tried for ? committing crime in 1890 and was sentenced to 1 yr in prison and demoted to Gunner

He was discharged in Belgaum, India (as Gunner) in June 1893.
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His marriage to Mary shows father John:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns
First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1882
Marriage date 3 Jun 1882
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Walsh
Place Morar Gwalior
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 16
Groom's father John Weller
Bride's father John Walsh
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-180
Folio number 252

Departure Date: 31 Jul 1915
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Colombo, Sri Lanka
Ship Name: Osterley
Shipping line: Orient Line
Official Number: 128287
Master: W J Jenks

William H Coles 38 Engineer Intended permanent residence India
Evelyn Coles 31
Edith Coles 7
Florrie Coles 5
Jenny Coles 2 1/2

This link gives details of Evelyn's later marriages to Fisk and then Gadsden

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=626649.9

England and Wales National Probate calendar
Evelyn Catherine Gadsden of Hillesden 37 New Road Bourne End Buckinghamshire, Widow, died 9 July 1963 at 37 Fryston Avenue Addiscombe Croydon Surrey. Probate Oxford 27 September to Edith Margaret Nash and Florence Irene Lucy Lane Married woman. Effects 6536 pounds 5 shillings and tuppence

Very interesting. So G/Grandfather did something wrong - that was never mentioned! I have a horrid suspicion that my G/father did too.
I am in touch with relatives of Edith Coles but didn't know that they went back to India in 1915. Strange in the middle of WW1. Wonder when they came back to UK. Think there were 2 more children after Jenny (Jennet).
Thanks so much.