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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Jan 2015 23:10

PM sent mgnv.

Your time and effort is so very much appreciated.

Thank you.........Prickles.

:-)

mgnv

mgnv Report 12 Jan 2015 22:54

Ship:LABRADOR
Port of Departure:Liverpool, England
Date of Departure:1898-08-18
Port of Arrival:Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival:1898-08-26
Year:1898
Microfilm Reel Number:C-4542
Remarks:
List Number: 65
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:3684
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003555248.jpg

I don't think this is our John - it *does* say Bedford, and our John has pob=Sunderland in 1911
Ship:BAVARIAN
Port of Departure:Liverpool, England Londonderry, Ireland
Date of Departure:1904-06-02
Port of Arrival:Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival:1904-06-11
Year:1904
Microfilm Reel Number:T-482
Remarks:
List Number: 27
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:4202
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e147/e003655526.jpg

Ship:VANCOUVER
Shipping Line:Dominion Line
Port of Departure:Liverpool, England
Date of Departure:1893-08-24
Port of Arrival:Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival:1893-09-02
Year:1893
Microfilm Reel Number:C-4539
Remarks:
List Number: 83
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:3174
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003552139.jpg

One can search most censuses at:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
E.g., Dorothy Hunter a=30 in 1891 (w John a=37)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148093-00523.pdf

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: BC VANCOUVER ISLAND (#3)
Subdistrict: Nanaimo (South/Sud) G-1 Page 16
32 173 Doole John M Head M Jul 15 1865 35
33 173 Doole A. Dorothy F Wife M Oct 19 1860 40
34 173 Pethrick G. Robert M Stepson S Jan 17 1888 13
35 173 Pethrick H. Margrene F Stepdaughter S Jan 24 1896 5
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36 174 Hunter John M Head M Apr 9 1854 46
[In household 173, the enumerator wrote the surname as 'Pethrick', a suggested alternative surname is 'Petherick'. The person suggesting the alternative surname provided this comment: 'Petherick is in the BC Archives- first names there are Marjory Hannah'.]
I don't know the relevance, if any, of their neighbour.
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z001/pdf/z000011771.pdf


1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: BC VANCOUVER ISLAND (#3)
Subdistrict: Nanaimo (South/Sud) G-2 Page 39
8 400 B?yden Alexander M Head M Jul 23 1863 37
9 400 B?yden Margaret F Wife M Oct 9 1868 32
10 400 B?yden David A M Son S Sep 3 1899 1
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14 402 Dudley John R M Head M Oct 12 1875 25
15 402 Dudley Hannah J F Wife M Jul 5 1875 25
16 402 Dudley Irene M F Daughter S Oct 11 1899 1
17 402 P?t???ick Dorothy F Daughter S Jul 5 1892 8
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z001/pdf/z000011831.pdf

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / British Columbia / Nanaimo / 20 Oyster / page 23 [Ladysmith City]
6 233 Bryden Alexander M Head M Jul 1863 47
7 233 Bryden Mary F Wife M Oct 1868 42
8 233 Bryden David M Son S Sep 1899 11
9 233 Bryden Wilfred M Son S May 1901 10
10 233 Bryden John M Son S Jan 1906 5
11 233 Jathick? Dorothy F Niece S Jul 1892 18
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938447.pdf

For 1921, anyone can search for free, but only via:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
In particular, for:
Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1921 Birth Year Birth Place Relation View Image
Dorothy Sheriff George Metchosin, Nanaimo, British Columbia abt 1892 British Columbia Wife
[Metchosin is abt 15km SW of Victoria

mgnv

mgnv Report 12 Jan 2015 22:43

More UK stuff:

Births [plus 1901 d.o.b]
1860q4 GOWLAND Dorothy Ann Sunderland 10a 377 [Oct 19 1860]
1866q4 Gowland Catherine Sunderland 10a 488 [Kate d 1898]
1868q4 GOWLAND Mary Margaret Chester le S. 10a 456 [Oct 9 1868]
1871q1 Gowland Margery Chester le S. 10a 525
1875q3 GOWLAND Anna Jane Chester le S. 10a 628 [Jul 5 1875]


Deaths Dec 1875 (>99%)
GOWLAND Robert 45 Chester le S. 10a 289

I don't know if any of these marrs are relevant:

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
EMBLETON Mary Ann Gateshead 10a 955
FERGUSON John Gateshead 10a 955
GOWLAND Dorothy Gateshead 10a 955
WATSON Thomas Gateshead 10a 955

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
COLLEDGE Thomas Davison Chester le S. 10a 611
GOWLAND Dorothy Chester le S. 10a 611
OSWALD John Blackett Chester le S 10a 611
Robson Hannah Chester le S. 10a 611

Marriage certificate for:
Name: GOWLAND, Dorothy
Year: 1887
COLLEDGE, Thomas D
From the postal application form:
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNCQ1 entry 128
[I think DNCQ is Durham Northern St Barnabas Bournmoor - abt 6 km S of Usworth]


Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Bailey Alice Mary Sunderland 10a 703
Gowland Margery Sunderland 10a 703
Hodgson Vincent Simpson Sunderland 10a 703
McKenna William Wardle Sunderland 10a 703

GOWLAND Margery 1893 C009BK1/341 Click to view spouse details
Spouse : MCKENNA William 1893


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I can't see the 1891 census for:
Margery Gowland abt 1871 city, Durham, England relation city, Durham
[rg12/4134/71/38 - she's a servant]


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Canadian stuff

A better site to search for BC BMDs is:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy/BasicSearch
The advantage is that images of some BMD (Vital stat) certs are online and free.
For instance, there's one image online for the first 3 births.

Name: DUDLEY, IRENE MAY Gender: Female Date: 1899/10/11 Event Place: WELLINGTON Registration Number: 1899-09-053855 Event Type: Birth
Name: DUDLEY, IRENE MAY Gender: Female Date: 1904/07/02 Event Place: LADYSMITH Father Name: JOHN ROBERT Mother Name: HANNAH Event Type: Baptism

Name: DUDLEY, ANNIE MAUDE Gender: Female Date: 1901/12/28 Event Place: EXTENSION Registration Number: 1901-09-054372 Event Type: Birth
Name: DUDLEY, ANNIE MAUD Gender: Female Date: 1904/07/02 Event Place: LADYSMITH Father Name: JOHN ROBERT Mother Name: HANNAH Event Type: Baptism

Name: DUDLEY, MARJORIE WINNIFRED Gender: Female Date: 1903/09/29 Event Place: LADYSMITH Registration Number: 1903-09-055882 Event Type: Birth Vital Stat Images(s): 004401573_00686.jpg

Ladysmith is abt 90km N of Victoria & abt 25 km S of Nanaimo.

Luckily, Marj was b 1903, not 1904 as the UK 1911 might imply.
1903 births fell under the old legislaion - after 1903, births are closed for 120y, marrs for 75y, and deaths for 20y - the stuff released 1/1/2015 isn't online yet.

Groom Name: BRYDEN, ALEXANDER Bride Name: GOWLAND, MARGARET Date: 1898/10/11 Event Place: VANCOUVER Registration Number: 1898-09-046838 B.C. Archives Mfilm Number: B11372 GSU Mfilm Number: 1983529 Event Type: Marriage Vital Stat Images(s): 004400856_01860.jpg

Name: BRYDEN, WILFRED GOWLAND Gender: Male Date: 1901/05/30 Event Place: EXTENSION Registration Number: 1901-09-054284 Event Type: Birth Vital Stat Images(s): 004401571_00512.jpg


Name: PETHERICK, CATHERINE Gender: Female Age: 32 Date: 1898/12/01 Event Place: CHASE RIVER Registration Number: 1898-09-046268 Event Type: Death

[Chase River is abt 5km S of Nanaimo - it's now on the outskirts of the town]

Name: PETHERICK, DORATHY HUNTER Gender: Female Date: 1892/07/05 Event Place: NANAIMO Registration Number: 1892-09-049897 Event Type: Birth

Name: PETHERICK, MARJORY HANNAH Gender: Female Date: 1896/01/24 Event Place: NANAIMO Registration Number: 1896-09-051945 Event Type: Birth
Name: PETHERICK, MARGERY HANNAH Gender: Female Date: 1896/09/02 Event Place: CEDAR DISTRICT Father Name: JOHN GEORGE Mother Name: KATHERINE Event Type: Baptism


Groom Name: SHERIFF, THEODORE GEORGE Bride Name: PETHERICK, DOROTHY Date: 1918/09/22 Event Place: SIDNEY Registration Number: 1918-09-036514 B.C. Archives Mfilm Number: B11372 GSU Mfilm Number: 1983529 Event Type: Marriage Vital Stat Images(s): 004400856_00473.jpg

Name: SHERIFF, GEORGE Gender: Male Age: 86 Date: 1967/10/03 Event Place: SAANICH Registration Number: 1967-09-012558 Event Type: Death Vital Stat Images(s): 004479276_02166.jpg

Name: SHERIFF, DOROTHY HUNTER Gender: Female Age: 95 Date: 1987/07/11 Event Place: LANGFORD Registration Number: 1987-09-010995 Event Type: Death Vital Stat Images(s): DTH_1987010995.jpg


Groom Name: THOMAS, GORDON COOKSON Bride Name: PETHERICK, MARGERY HANNAH Date: 1919/06/10 Event Place: VANCOUVER Registration Number: 1919-09-202723 B.C. Archives Mfilm Number: B11390 GSU Mfilm Number: 1984111 Event Type: Marriage Vital Stat Images(s): 004400866_01592.jpg

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jan 2015 10:06

Many thanks mgnv and safc.

Prickles. x

safc

safc Report 9 Jan 2015 21:41

1861 census

for address


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
57, Hendon Road, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Dorothy Gowland Wife Married Female 20 1841 Seamans Wife Durham, England
Transcription
Dorothy A Gowland Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Dorothy A Finkler Niece - Female 8 1853 - Jarrow, Durham, England

safc

safc Report 9 Jan 2015 21:23


Northumberland and Durham Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) ROBERT
Last name GOWLAND
Marriage year 1859
Marriage day 21
Marriage month Dec
Place HENDON
Groom's first name(s) Robert
Groom's last name Gowland
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Dorothy
Bride's last name Sutherland
Bride's parish -
Description St. Paul
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland and Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain



https://www.flickr.com/photos/sunderlandpubliclibraries/3566508658/in/photostream/

mgnv

mgnv Report 9 Jan 2015 20:54

Earlier UK stuff

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
>Gowland Robert Sunderland 10a 499
Reed Jane Sunderland 10a 499
Smith Thomas Sunderland 10a 499
>Sutherland Dorothy Sunderland 10a 499

Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
Bolam Joseph Chester le S. 10a 489
>Gowland Dorothy Ann Chester le S. 10a 489
>HUNTER John Wilson Chester le S. 10a 489
SOUTH Alice Chester le S. 10a 489

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
>GOWLAND Catherine Chester le S. 10a 640
Pearson Jane Ann Chester le S. 10a 640
>Petherick John George Chester le S. 10a 640

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Carr Elizabeth Jane Sunderland 10a 820
>Dudley John Robert Sunderland 10a 820
>GOWLAND Hannah Jane Sunderland 10a 820
Robinson Richard Sunderland 10a 820

Just using the local index to confirmwho wed whom - see:
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1399
Unfortunately, Sunderland doesn't provide a key for their church codes, so what churches C017, C021 & C049 stand for is a mystery to me, except they all look like C of E codes.

GOWLAND Robert 1859 C021BK1/321
Spouse : SUTHERLAND Dorothy 1859

GOWLAND Dorothy 1879 C049BK1/337
Spouse : HUNTER John 1879

GOWLAND Catherine 1887 C049BK1/453
Spouse : PETHERICK John 1887

GOWLAND Hannah 1896 C017BK3/130
Spouse : DUDLEY John 1896



1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X355-8NV
Dorothy Gowland Head F 34 Gateshead, Durham, England
Mary M Gowland Daughter F 12 Usworth, Durham, England
Margery Gowland Daughter F 10 Usworth, Durham, England
Hannah J Gowland Daughter F 5 Usworth, Durham, England

1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZF-B7X
Robert Gowland Self M 42 Sunderland, Durham
Dorothy Gowland Wife F 33 Sheriff Hill, Durham
Dorothy Ann Gowland Daughter F 10 Sunderland, Durham
Catherine Gowland Daughter F 4 Sunderland, Durham
Mary Margaret Gowland Daughter F 2 Mount, Durham
Margery Gowland Daughter F 0 Mount, Durham

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/3774 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Pauls
Folio: 54 Page: 48 Schedule: 305
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GOWLAND Dorothy Wife M F 23 Seaman's Wife Co. Durham - Sheriff Hill
GOWLAND Dorothy A Dau - F 6m Co. Durham - Sunderland
FINKLER Dorothy A Niece - F 8 Co. Durham - Jarrow

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2015 15:42

I just found them actually..........but thanks for looking Gins.

Gee

Gee Report 7 Jan 2015 15:19

Not sure if you have this child's birth details



Name:Marjorie Winnifred Dudley

Gender:Female

Birth Date:29 Sep 1903

Birth Location:Ladysmith

Registration Number:1903-09-055882

BCA Number:B13819

GSU Number:2134889

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Added: A possible for Annie



Name:Annie Maude Dudley

Gender:Female

Birth Date:28 Dec 1901

Birth Location:
Extension

Registration Number:1901-09-054372

BCA Number:B13817

GSU Number:2134887

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2015 15:10

Wonderful.

I shall sift though it all.

Thank you very much for your time everyone.

Prickles.

:-)

Maddie

Maddie Report 7 Jan 2015 14:20

possible parents of Dorothy

John George /Petherick/
birth: January 1865
Sunderland, Durham, England
death:
Catherine /Gowland/
birth: about 1867
Sunderland, Durham, England
death: 1 December 1898
Chase River, British Columbia

marriage

Dorothy Petherick
mentioned in the record of Theodore George Sheriff and Dorothy Petherick
Name: Theodore George Sheriff
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1918
Event Place: Sidney, British Columbia, Canada
Age: 38
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Throdhjen, Norway
Marital Status: Bachelor
Father's Name: John T Sheriff
Mother's Name: Biret
Spouse's Name: Dorothy Petherick
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1892
Spouse's Birthplace: Chase River,
Spouse's Marital Status: Spinster
Spouse's Father's Name: Geo Petherick
Spouse's Mother's Name: Kate Gowan
Affiliate Film Number: B11372
Certificate Type: License
GS Film number: 1983529 , Digital Folder Number: 004400856 , Image Number: 00473 , Reference ID: 18 09


John George Petherick
England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index
Name: John George Petherick
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1887
Registration District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Event Place: Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Volume: 10A
Page: 640
Line Number: 15

Gritty

Gritty Report 7 Jan 2015 14:20

Hannah's Sister's children??

From tree on Ancestry:

Dorothy Petherick
Birth: 05 Jul 1892 (5 Jul 1892)
Marriage: 22 Sep 1918 - Sidney, British Columbia, Canada
Death: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Parents: John George Petherick, Catherine Gowland<<<<<
Spouse: Theodore George Sheriff

safc

safc Report 7 Jan 2015 14:17

Name: Robert Gowland Petherick
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1888
Registration District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Event Place: Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 10A
Page: 492
Line Number: 223



Citing this Record:
"England and Wales, Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2XTZ-TPV : accessed 7 January 2015), Robert Gowland Petherick, 1888; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," index, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Chester Le Street, Durham, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.

Gritty

Gritty Report 7 Jan 2015 14:16

John and Hannah returned to UK in 1907- no Dorothy with them:

JR Dudley 30 Grocer
Mrs Dudley 30 Wfie
Irene Dudley 7
Mead Dudley 5
Marjory Dudley 3

Name: J K Dudley
[John Robert Dudley]
Birth Date: abt 1877
Age: 30
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1907
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: St John
Ship Name: Empress of Ireland
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 123972

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2015 14:15

Sorry........I have to quickly pop out.

Back in half an hour.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Jan 2015 14:09

This passenger list has:
J.R. Dudley, 21
Mrs. Dudley, 21
and directly under
Mrs. Petherick, 30
Dorothy ", 4
Robert ", 9
Hannah ", 2


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Dorothy Petherick
Name: Dorothy Petherick
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Birth Year: abt 1894
Date of Arrival: 26 Aug 1898
Vessel: Labrador
Search Ship Database: Search for the Labrador in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada; Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Gritty

Gritty Report 7 Jan 2015 14:08

Dorothy had travelled to England (from Canada) earlier the same year:

Name: Dorothy Petherick
Birth Date: abt 1894
Age: 4
Port of Departure: Montreal, Quebec, Canada and Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: May 1898
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Laurentian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Laurentian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Official Number: 67994

Mrs C Petherick 32 Wife
Robert Petherick 9 Child
Dorothy Petherick 4 Child

safc

safc Report 7 Jan 2015 14:06


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4 Dunbar St Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Dudley Head Married Male 35 1876 Durham Sunderland Coal Miner Hewer
Transcription
Hannah Dudley Wife Married Female 35 1876 Durham Sunderland -
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Irene Dudley Daughter - Female 11 1900 Wellington Vancouver Island British Columbia School
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Annie Dudley Daughter - Female 9 1902 Ladysmith Vancouver Island British Columbia -
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Margery Dudley Daughter - Female 7 1904 Ladysmith Vancouver Island British Columbia -

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2015 14:02

This a is the family in 1911......


1911 England Census
about Irene Dudley Name:Irene Dudley
Age in 1911:11
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1900
Relation to Head:Daughter
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Wellington, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Sunderland
County/Island:Durham Country:
England
Street address:4 Dunbar Street
Occupation:School
Registration district:Sunderland

Household Members:


John Dudley 35 Sunderland
Hannah Dudley 35 Sunderland
Irene Dudley 11 Wellington
Annie Dudley 9 Ladysmith
Margery Dudley 7 Ladysmith

Choccy

Choccy Report 7 Jan 2015 14:01

?? (Ancestry hint for 1901 Canadian census)

British Columbia, Canada, Birth Index, 1872-1903

Name: Dorathy Hunter Petherick

Gender:Female

Birth Date 5 Jul 1892

Birth Location: Nanaimo

Registration Number: 1892-09-049897

BCA Number: B13810

GSU Number: 2114718