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Thanks Chris for all your help

I will check the other members trees and see if I can contact them. As you say they may have more info on this family.

All the best

Jane

1881 (Find My Past)
John Grey Head Married Male 28 1853 Farm Labourer Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Ann Grey Wife Married Female 26 1855 - Easington, Yorkshire, England
John W Grey Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Burton Pidsea, Yorkshire, England
Parish Kilnsea
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Registration district Patrington
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 4786
Folio 5
Page 4


Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
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CRAWFORTH Jane Ann Patrington 9d 549
Gray John Patrington 9d 549


Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Winterton
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 224
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 15 Sep 1850
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename Edward
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname GREY
MotherSurname
Abode Winterton
FatherOccupation Labourer

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(looks to be as above)

Chris :)


Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
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HUXLEY Alice W. Derby 8b 556


Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
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Huxley Alice W. Derby 8b 290


(the 1900 Marriage Cert. should help with Alice, as above)

Chris :)

Not sure if you checked 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') both Births above, are shared by other Genes Members, perhaps they might have more info. regarding Alice 1911, or any children.

John's parents are John Gray b1850 Winterton and Jane Ann Crawforth b c1854 Easington lincs.


The tree looks like this:

Edward Gray b 1807 and Elizabeth Franklin b 1807 (grand Parents)

John Gray and Jane Crawforth (Parents)

John Gray and Alice Huxley (the family I am looking into at the moment).

All the best

Jane

Jane Report 28 Jan 2015 16:14

I am looking for John and Alice Gray who were living in Lincoln in 1901. John was born 1874 in Lincolnshire and alice was born in 1883 in Liverpool.

I am interested in finding the names of their children and if any had died.

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From your opening post above, but how do you know of John?...

Who are the Parents you are working are back from, it's getting confusing!.

Chris :)


Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
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Gray John William Patrington 9d 277

I have to go to work now. I will look in when I get home.

thanks for helping me

Jane

Thanks for that update Chris
So I can say she was probably a live in 1911 as I believe it should have said he was a widow.
Jane

Thanks Chris

I have just been looking on Familysearch 1911 still cant find her. I have found two deaths in Beverley Yorkshire but both ages are slightly out.
Deaths:
Alice Gray 1902 reg in Beverley age 21 and 1907 reg in Beverley age 36. If she was born about 1877 then she would be 25yrs in 1902 and 30yrs in 1907.

Jane

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Gray John William Sculcoates 9d 261
Huxley Alice Sculcoates 9d 261

(just adding reference for Marriage)

Chris :)

(reference)

1901 (Find My Past)
John W Gray Head Married Male 25 1876 Tailor Burton Pidsea, Lincolnshire, England
Alice Gray Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Street Florence Grove
Parish Sculcoates
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Municipal ward East Central
Registration district Sculcoates
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4490
Folio 43
Page 33


1911 (Find My Past)
James Arnold Head Married Male 33 1878 Yorks Hull Lamplighter
Gertrude Arnold Wife Married Female 34 1877 Lincs New Holland
Frederick James Arnold Son - Male 2 1909 Yorks Hull
Eric Broughton Arnold Son - Male 0 1911 Yorks Hull
John William Gray Boarder Married Male 36 1875 Burton Pidsea Yorks Lamplighter
Address 44 Derby Street Wellington Lane Beverley Road Hull
Parish Sculcoates
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Census reference RG14 PN28715 RG78 PN1650 RD521 SD8 ED4 SN265

(nothing else given, other than Married 10yrs)

Update

I went to the library to have a look at the other persons tree on Ancestry and it appears that the family we have been following on this thread is the wrong one.

It is a coincidence that two John Grays married two ladies called Alice in Sculcoates the same year. Mine is John Gray and Alice Huxley marriage ref 9b 261. I am going to send for the marriage cert to confirm this.

On checking the 1901 census I found a John gray born Burton Pidsea abt 1876 , living in Sculcoates with Alice born 1877 from Liverpool. Burton Pidsea is just outside Patrington where John's birth was registered.

1911 census

John Gray b 1876 in Burton Pidsea was a border at 44 Derby St Wellington lane, Beverley Road Hull. Unfortunately I cant find Alice. I ran out of time to make a note of the other details but I believe the census said he had been married 10yrs which would be correct. If this is so then Alice is probably a live somewhere.

Please can someone see if they had any children. I forgot to look. This info might help me track her down.

Thanks for your help

Jane

Thanks Catherine

That death is a possibility for Robert. I have made a note of it in my records.

All the best
Jane

??

NAME: Robert Gray
BIRTH DATE: 16 Sep 1922
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Nov 1993
AGE AT DEATH: 71
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lincoln
INFERRED COUNTY: Lincolnshire
REGISTER NUMBER: A45C
DISTRICT AND SUBDISTRICT: 6191A
ENTRY NUMBER: 79

Thank you so much Catherine for all your help. I had found that marriage and also one to a Anne Glover/Gover I was just trying to decide between them. It looks as if you are right as I cant find a Robert Gray with a mothers surname of Glover/Gover.

Thanks again

Jane

With ref. to info about Robert Gray (parents John and Annie) being brought up by his aunty Ethel, this looks to be relevant:-


Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
Crosby Annie E Gray Lincoln 7a 1477
GRAY John Crosby Lincoln 7a 1477

Birth of Robert:-

NAME: Robert Gray
MOTHER'S MAIDEN SURNAME: Crosby
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lincoln
INFERRED COUNTY: Lincolnshire
VOLUME NUMBER: 7a
PAGE NUMBER: 898

..................there are 8 other possible siblings with name Gray and mmn Crosby from 1922 to 1940. Won't post names as they may be still living but you can find them on freebmd.org or I can send them to you by pm if you prefer.


Possible?

NAME: John Gray
BIRTH DATE: abt 1900
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Dec 1964
AGE AT DEATH: 64
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lincoln
INFERRED COUNTY: Lincolnshire
VOLUME: 3b
PAGE: 281

Thanks so much Chris for all your help. I have added it to my tree.

I think I am going to have to buy some more certs.

All the best

Jane

Deaths Dec 1950 (>99%)
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Wheatley Ethel 49 Lincoln 3b 290


24 November 1950 - Lincolnshire Echo - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

Death
WHEATLEY - On 23rd November, 24 Carr-street. Ethel (Meg Gray, aged 49 years, the dearly beloved wife of William Wheatley. Peacefully sleeping. Funeral service St. Faith's Church. Saturday. 25th November, 11am., Interment, Newport Cemetery.

Chris :)


Deaths Jun 1945 (>99%)
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Gray John 67 Lincoln 7a 489


27 June 1945 - Lincolnshire Echo - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

Death
GRAY - On 26th June, at County Hospital. John Gray Carr-street, age 67.

Thank you all so much for all your help.

Thank you for those Baptism dates. I have managed to confirm these dates from the parish records yesterday evening.

I will look into the marriage of Ethel and William Wheatley. I had seen this yesterday on freeBMD but could not confirm whether it was mine or not. Looks as if it could be correct.

That information about Aunty Ethel was interesting. I will have to look into that.

I will also take a look at the 1911 census and see If I can find Ethel with another member of the family.

Thank you all so much.

Jane

I noticed the marriage refered to in the ancestry tree:-

Ethel Gray
mentioned in the record of William Wheatley and Ethel Gray
Name: William Wheatley
Birth Date: 1901
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Ethel Gray
Spouse's Birth Date: 1901
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 1922
Event Place: St. Swithin'S, Lincoln, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: William Wheatley
Spouse's Father's Name: John Gray
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02580-5 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1542066 , Reference ID: 2:3CGTH6K

.............father is noted as John but wasn't sure if it refered to this Ethel:-

NAME: Ethel Gray
AGE: 7/12
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1900
RELATION TO HEAD: Daughter
GENDER: Female
FATHER: John Gray
MOTHER: Harriett Gray
BIRTH PLACE: Tallington, Lincolnshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Tallington
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Tallington St Lawrence
TOWN: Tallington
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lincolnshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION: (of father) Beer Retailer Domestic Gardener

REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Stamford
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Barnack
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 8
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 3022
FOLIO: 84
PAGE NUMBER: 15
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 21
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
John Gray 44
Harriett Gray 46
Walter Gray 11
William R Gray 9
Hannah Gray 8
James Gray 7
Wm Hy Gray 3
Ethel Gray 7/12

EDIT:- No above census would refer to this one so not our girl:-

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Gray Ethel Mabel Stamford 7a 343


I would think that she is probably staying with relatives in 1911 so you may have to look up all the relatives of John and Alice to see if she is with any of them. It's possible that she may have been noted under their name and not her own, or her age is incorrect ??

County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church St. Faith
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 17 Jul 1901
BaptismDate 30 Oct 1901
Forename Ethel
Sex F
FatherForename John
MotherForename Alice
FatherSurname GRAY
MotherSurname GRAY
Abode , Gale's Passge
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 10208

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church St. Faith
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 30 Jun 1900
BaptismDate 30 Oct 1901
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename John
MotherForename Alice
FatherSurname GRAY
MotherSurname GRAY
Abode , Gale's Passge
FatherOccupation Labourer

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church St. Faith
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 17 Jul 1901
BaptismDate 30 Oct 1901
Forename Ethel
Sex F
FatherForename John
MotherForename Alice
FatherSurname GRAY
MotherSurname GRAY
Abode , Gale's Passge
FatherOccupation Labourer

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church St. Faith
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 10 Aug 1905
BaptismDate 27 Sep 1905
Forename Lucy
Sex F
FatherForename John
MotherForename Alice
FatherSurname GRAY
MotherSurname GRAY
Abode , Carr Street
FatherOccupation Labourer


(from below free to use link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Gray Leonard Lincoln 7a 512

Ethel is on another tree, born 17 July 1901, Lincoln, married William Wheatley 1922, Lincoln and died 1950 Lincoln. Someone had added this note to the tree.


"Auntie Ethel was know to the family as Meg. Her & Uncle Billy didn't have any children of their own, not sure if they couldn't or just didn't. They cared for & raised Robert 'Bob' Gray their newphew from John & Annie when he was born with an illness that caused brain damage & he was classed as mentally retarded"
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