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Yes on the 1851 census she is listed with a Mary Heyes I can only think that Jane and her son are lodging with her as there are no Heyes in the family.

Joseph Solomon Jane's husband,is in a boarding house in Manchester on 1851 census night.

Thank you for all your help it is really appreciated

The 1851 census is a typed transcription taken from (presumably) a water-damaged original, so the info may not be 100% as per the original

Did you notice the death info?

I did check the original of the 1851 census and it does say daughter-in-law.

Agreed, but isn't the 'original' a typed transcription?

It certainly is on FMP

Yes you are correct but it is incorrect.
The only way I can think that it can be right is if Mary Heyes was James Birch's [Janes first husband ] mother and she had remarried. In which case, Jane had not yet married Joseph Solomon.
Very confusing

Kath

Have you still not seen the death info I posted?

And it's become fairly obvious that there was no legal union between Solomon and Jane

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846 to 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SOLOMON Joseph Ashton Town Tameside SIMS AST/26/26

No, Jacqueline, the original on Ancestry is the original handwritten copy that is water damaged.

Curious! The joseph Solomon in Manchester in 1851 says he's a hardware dealer but in 1871 he's a jeweller.

Also Jane in 1851 says she's born Ashton under Lyne but in 1871 she says Colchester, Essex.

England & Wales Non-conformist births and baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Jane
Last name Sims
Birth year 1828
Birth date 30 May 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 15 Jun 1828
Place Colchester
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) Thos
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Essex
Archive reference TNA/RG/4/357
Description ESSEX: Colchester, Stockwell Chapel, formerly Helens Lane Meeting House (Independent): Births & Baptisms


1841 (Find My Past)
Thomas Sims Male 55 1786 (Permit Writer)
George Sims Male 15 1826
Mary Sims Female 20 1821
Eliza Sims Female 20 1821
Jane Sims Female 12 1829
Street Acres Field
City or borough Bolton
Town Bolton, Great
County Lancashire
Registration district Bolton
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 534
Book number 11
Folio number 43
Page number 11

(none born in County)


Marriage: 4 Jun 1845 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
James Birch - Full, Railway Guard, Bachelor, Great Bolton
Jane Sims - Minor, Spinster, Great Bolton
Groom's Father: John Birch, Weaver
Bride's Father: Thomas Sims, Excise Officer
Witness: Benjamin Shakespeare; Sarah Parr
Married by Licence by: John Twisaday Curate
Register: Marriages 1844 - 1845, Page 233, Entry 466
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library

(above marriage reference, from below free link)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Solomon
Gender Male
Baptism year 1851
Baptism date 19 Jan 1851
Place Ashton Under Lyne
County Lancashire
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Solomon
Mother's first name(s) Jane


(is above all relating?)

Chris :)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1335775

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kath23 Report 19 Jul 2011 15:19

Hi Everyone,
could anyone please see if they can find a JOSEPH SOLOMON on the 1851 census please ?
JOSEPH SOLOMON B1825 POLAND he was a jeweller

I think I have his wife and child who were ;-
JANE SOLOMON M 21yrs
JOSEPH SOLOMON 3mths Ashton u Lyne
they are living at 159 crab st Ashton under Lyne with a Mary Heyes 47yrs and her family but there is no sign of Joseph..

By 1861 the family are living in manchester as follows
JOSEPH SOLOMAN 36yrs JEWELLER WARSAW
JANE SOLOMAN 32yrs COLCHESTER ESSEX
ISAAC SOLOMAN 10yrs ASHTON
ELI SOLOMAN 8yrs WIGAN
SARAH SOLOMAN 7yrs WIGAN
ABRAHAM SOLOMAN 5yrs WIGAN

Thank you
Kath
Researching:
sims,Hale,Hamer,Wilkinson,Terry,Stinton,Nash,Connor


George_of_Westbury Report 19 Jul 2011 15:22

Could be?

BAMBRIDGE, Elizabeth Head Widow F 68 1783 Loding House Keeper
Thornham
Lancashire VIEW
HAYTON, John Night Lodging Married M 41 1810 Stone Mason
Bolton
Lancashire VIEW
HAYTON, Mary Night Lodging Married F 43 1808
Kirkham
Lancashire VIEW
HAYTON, John Night Lodging Unmarried M 14 1837 Apprentice Stone Mason
Bolton
Lancashire VIEW
WITHER, Thomas Night Lodging Married M 30 1821 Hardware Dealer
Stockport
Cheshire VIEW
SOLOMAN, Joseph Night Lodging Married M 28 1823 Hardware Dealer
Warsaw Poland VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2266 Folio:
454 Page:
77

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
Preston Enumeration District:
2R Ecclesiastical Parish:
Chapelry St Georges

Civil Parish:
Preston Municipal Borough:
Preston Address:
36, Heatley Street, Preston County:
Lancashire


kath23 Report 19 Jul 2011 15:33

George,Thank you !
That certainly looks like him as he was described as a Hardware dealer on some of the census.
I was hoping he was with other family members but not to be at least I now know were he was !
Thanks again
Kath

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1274839?d=asc


edits (below from Ancestry)

Eli Solomon
3 Mar 1853 22 May 1853 Wigan, All Saints Joseph Solomon,
Jane Solomon

Hannah Solomon
27 Oct 1853 10 Dec 185) Wigan, All Saints Joseph Solomon,
Jane Solomon

George Frederick Solomon
18 Jul 1856 10 Sep 1856 Wigan, All Saints Joseph Solomon,
Jane Solomon

Thanks for clarification, Margee

Yes thank you Margee
Sorry not to respond to all the postings,they are coming thick and fast and I had to disappear for a while.

Jacqueline I did see the death details , thank you , sorry I did not respond.
I am not sure who this would be as Jane and Joseph's son appears on the 1851 census aged 2 months

The point I was trying to convey is that Jane's husband was almost certainly alive.

Sorry I am not on the same wave length as you.
Do you mean her first husband or second ?
Her first husband James Birch I believe died in 1848
Jane is a Solomon on the 1851 census

Sorry I missed your point.

Please look carefully at the death info.................

She didn't have a second husband...........there was no second marriage, as far as can be seen

I know the occupation is different, but...............I can't help wondering


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bridgeman Street, Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Gregory Head Married Male 34 1817 Shoe Maker Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary Gregory Wife Married Female 34 1817 Domestic Duties Stainland, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Nancy Gregory Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary Gregory Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Samuel Gregory Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription
James Birch Visitor Married Male 32 1819 Shoe Maker Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Jane Ford Visitor Unmarried Female 20 1831 Power Loom Weaver Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Farmer Street, Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Grigorey Head Married Male 44 1817 Shoe Maker - Transcription
Nancy Grigorey Wife Married Female 44 1817 Shoe Makers Wife Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary Grigorey Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 Cotton Weaver Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Samuel Grigorey Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Coach... Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription
James Birch Boarder Married Male 42 1819 Shoe Maker Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription


As for Jane........she called herself a Solomon in 1851, which isn't the same thing as actually being one

Only a suggestion............

First name(s) JAMES
Last name BIRCH
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1819
Age 50
Death quarter 1
Death year 1869
District BOLTON
County Lancashire
Volume 8C
Page 289
Country England

Thank you Jacqueline
I am going to send for the certificate
It will narrow the dates down as to when Jane married Joseph Solomon

Kath - then, as now, people lived together as man and wife without going through a ceremony. As (so far) there seems to be no record of a marriage, your ancestors may be amongst those!