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i'am looking for some information on William John Mcguinness born 1887 to Joseph mcguinness 1864 and mary ann dean abt1864 I can find him on the 1901 census but then not on the 1911 and don't know why I did however find a possible newspaper article about a William john mcguinness going to prison but cant read all of it would like help just to find out what happened to him thanx

sounds Irish ???

looks like him on the 1891 census parents are Irish

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sun Hotel, Friar Gate, Preston, Lancashire, Englan
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William McGuiness Head Married Male 42 1849 Inn Keeper Ireland

Mary McGuiness Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Ireland

Eliza McGuiness Daughter Single Female 21 1870 Machinist Preston, Lancashire, England

Frederick McGuiness Son Single Male 18 1873 Bar Keeper Preston, Lancashire, England

Mary J McGuiness Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Milliner Preston, Lancashire, England

Annie McGuiness Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England

James McGuiness Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England

Ellen McGuiness Daughter Single Female 9 1882 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England

Kate McGuiness Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England

William McGuiness Son Single Male 5 1886 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England

Eliza Kavanagh Cousin Widow Female 37 1854 Domestic Servant Ireland


Edit maybe not Dad not Joseph

1901 for our reference ?? - not the same family as 1891 posted above:


William McGuinness in the 1901 England Census

Name:
William McGuinness
Age:
14
Estimated birth year:
abt 1887
Relation to Head:
Son
Gender:
Male
Father:
Joseph McGuinness - born South Shields
Mother:
Mary A McGuinness - born London
Birth Place:Hebburn, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Hebburn
Ecclesiastical parish:Hebburn St John
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Registration district:South Shields
Sub-registration district:Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel:44
Neighbors:View others on page
Piece:4745
Folio:131
Page Number:37
Household schedule number:189
Household Members:
Name
Age
Joseph McGuinness 37 - born South Shields
Mary A McGuinness 37 - born London
William McGuinness 14
Joseph McGuinness 13
Catherine McGuinness 12
Matilda McGuinness 10
Mary A McGuinness 6
Charles McGuinness 4

yes that's the right one just cant find him on 1911 but I did see a article about someone that could be him going to prison for 6 months in 1906 I think but couldn't read it all

Perhaps his marriage???



William John Mcguinness
England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index
Name: William John Mcguinness
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1909
Registration District: South Shields
County: Durham
Event Place: South Shields, Durham, England
Volume: 10A
Page: 1454
Line Number: 105


William John Mcguinness probably married one of the following people
Name: Horace Chesson
Name: Annie Hughes
Name: Benniess Wrightson <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

(Horace & Annie Chesson are on 1911 census)

If that's his marriage, here's his wife's death:


Deaths Mar 1972 (99%)
McGuiness Benneiss Ingles 18Se1889 Durham N E 1a 1460
McGuinness Benneiss Ingles 18Se1889 Durham N E 1a 326s





But this is interesting - different person, same first & middle names:
:
Deaths Dec 1969 (>99%)
WARD Benneiss Inglis 7Je1895 S.Shields 1a 2227

????


Deaths Dec 1954 (>99%)
McGuinness William J 69 S.Shields 1a 816



But can't see Benneiss in 1911.

mm that's all interesting I don't have a lot of information on him I guess its a work through all the evidence and see which fits the best as there is not always a definitive 100% this is the right person kind of moment when u have little to go on

On FreeBMD, nine McGuinness/Wrightson births in S Shields between 1911 and 1932.
I won't post them, as they may still be alive.

Well, this one won't be, as there's a later child of the same name:

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
McGuinness Benniess M Wrightson S.Shields 10a 1920

wow I have a feeling this is going to get very complicated thanks for the help I have a lot to sort through and a lot to try and piece together to see if things fit that's the hardest because you don't want to start researching the wrong family

The marriage cert would at least let you know the groom's age and his father's name, so you'd have an idea if it's the right person or not.

Good luck!

Hello Pamela

I am tracing th same line and wondered if you hae any more recent relatives with the surname Trim

Many Thanks

Michele

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