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Looking for any information on this lady and her parents.
Would really like to know about her mother, her name was Edith Kathleen born in Ireland.

As a starter....

Name: Nellie May F Horne
Birth Date: 31 May 1906
Date of Registration: Jun 2004
Age at Death: 98
Registration district: Sefton North
Inferred County: Merseyside
Register Number: 74A
District and Subdistrict: 034/1A
Entry Number: 87

1911 census

Name: George Daniel Joyce
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 5 Stucley Place, Camden Town
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: CARMAN
Registration district: St Pancras
Registration District Number: 9
Sub-registration district: West St Pancras
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 672
Household Members:
Name Age
George Daniel Joyce 39
Edith Kathleen Joyce 39 b Ireland
Nellie May Joyce 4 b St Pancras
Edward John Joyce 44 Brother
Frank James 40 Boarder

Married 8 years

1 child born to marriage

Thats her wonder if anyone can find anything about her mother Edith Kathleen?

1911 original has Co Wicklow as Edith's birthplace


If this is Nellie May's birth then her mother's maiden name would be on the birth certificate


Name:
Nellie May Joyce

Registration Year:1906
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun

Registration district:Isle of Wight
Inferred County:Hampshire

Volume:2b
Page:604

or maybe this is the Nellie May born IOW


1911
Fred Ernest Joyce 29
Ellen Joyce 29
May Joyce 5 -Newport, Isle of Wight Hampshire
Doris Joyce 2

I dont think she was born in IOW. I am at a loss to find her mother further back as i have not been able to find any marrige banns or Irish census with her because i don't know her maiden name but yes you are right it would be on her birth cert

Name: Edith Kathleen Ryder
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Oct - Dec 1883
Event Place: Dublin North, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1883
Registration District: Dublin North
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 422
GS Film number: 101059 , Digital Folder Number: 004193460 , Image Number: 00347.

This Irish birth fits within Edith K age in 1911.

Maybe not that one Kay? this could be the Dublin one 1911
me: Edith Kathleen Ryder
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Daughter
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Cabra Road
District: Glasnevin
County: Dublin

1911 census image for the above census states,

Edith Kathleen bn Co Wicklow Ireland

and ditto for,
Nellie May, ?

Yes Rose a wild guess there a few others that could just scrape in.

Did Nellie marry?

On this ER she is Kathleen Edith

George Daniel Joyce
Year: 1930
County or Borough: Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency:


If this is her death, year of birth varies from 1911 census

Edith K Joyce
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Mar 1933
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 145



George D Joyce
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Dec 1942
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 87

I wonder if they didn't marry until later?

George D Joyce
Spouse Surname: Bennett
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Lambeth
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 619

Records on Page:
Name
Mabel Bashford
Kathleen Bennett
Alfred Fisher
George D Joyce


EDIT

Not that one, his middle name was Downs

Do you have a copy of Nellie's marriage cert?


Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%)

Horne Percival F Joyce Hammersmith 1a 562
Joyce Nellie M F Horne Hammersmith 1a 562


What does her death cert say about her birthplace?

Do you know if Nellie had any siblings?

If she didn't, one has to consider that she may not have been the natural child of George and his 'wife'

hi
found birth for george not sure if they were married when Nellie May was born the only marriage for george d is 1914 in pancras perhaps they married in ireland

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
JOYCE George Daniel Pancras 1b 21

Edith Kathleen Barnes
Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: Edith Kathleen Barnes
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1872
Birthplace: Dublin City, Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name: Edwin Barnes
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mc Kay

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(above has below Burial, and George)


Deaths Mar 1933 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Joyce Edith K 56 Pancras 1b 145 (Joyce, Edith Kathleen)

Chris :)

These are all great leads!! thank you so much :-)

just a note on the 1911 census

for George, it says born St Pancras, English
for Edith, it says born Ireland, Co Wicklow, Irish

then the birthlaces for the next three people are dashes and all say English ...
since one of those three is George's brother Edward John, I think the dashes actually refer to Pancras


so this is George's household in 1881

Name: George Joyce
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Edwin J. Joyce
Mother: Ellen Joyce
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Scholar

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Street address: 40 Red Hill St
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Regents Park

Edwin J. Joyce 40
Ellen Joyce 38
Richard Joyce 18
Edwin Joyce 15 born Marylebone > 44 in 1911
Susan Joyce 13
Albert Joyce 11
Eliza Joyce 7
George Joyce 4
Alice Joyce 1


Births Mar 1856
JOYCE Edward John Marylebone 1a 430

Marriages Dec 1862
Joyce Edwin John
Rodel Ellen Matilda Marylebone 1a 757

Edward, Edwin, Edmund were often treated as interchangeable


in 1901, George is in the household of his married sister Susan in St Pancras

Charles Morris 35
Susan Morris 32
William Morris 11
Ellen Morris 8
Charles Morris 6
Alice Morris 3
Thomas Morris 2
> George Joyce 22
Charles Ellis 20
Ellen Poulton 19


given that George's mother was Ellen, I wonder whether Nellie was really Ellen too?

or yes, the other possibility, that she was Edith's child before George

but they claim married 8 years when Nellie is only 4, so even if they weren't married it would seem she is likely a child of their union

it seems quite unlikely that George would have gone to Ireland and married there

As previously mooted, she may not have been their natural child

We could do with answers from Lucy to the questions she has been asked