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Are you certain about Margaret's parents please?

I am wondering about this family as I don't see anything for a Margaret Ross in Coylton.

1851

Margt Campbell
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Daughter
Father: Matt Campbell
Mother: Jane Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Coylton, Ayrshire
Parish Number: 598
Civil Parish: Kilmaurs
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County: Ayrshire
Address: Kirkton
ED: 6
Page: 4
Household schedule number: 12
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_134
Household Members:
Name Age
Matt Campbell 40
Jane Campbell 39
John Campbell 11
Margt Campbell 9
Wm Campbell 6
Mary Campbell 4
Janet Campbell 2

Margaret do you have his brother William's birth certificate please? My gut feeling is that he is registered as William Ross - the birth I already posted. I don't think that he necessarily had the same father as James given their age differences. Remember too that if James was illegitimate he may have made up a father on his marriage to save face. Alternately, if James was very young when his father died, he may just have assumed that his brother William was named for their father.

I think, although it would be time consuming to look for a marriage and death for William to see what information that throws up for his father. We can't even be sure that Mr. Anderson was a Joiner or if James fabricated that occupation as his stepfather was a Cabinet maker.

I see you have at tree on Ancestry for the Anderson family although you haven't updated it for over a year. Much of the information is wrong and you obviously have more accurate details now. It may be worth updating it, just in case someone else is researching the same family and you may be able to compare notes.

Hi folks, I will try to answer as many questions as I can, I went to Scotland's people at the Mitchell library and tried before 1876 and after, Margaret Ross came from Coylton and went back and died there. As far as I know James lived in Glasgow all of his life as on the 1881 census unless he was born elsewhere. I wondered if his father William had T.B, and may have been in a sanatorium as James had it and other family also so might not have been in Glasgow when he died. Margaret's parents were John Ross and Jane Campbell'. Margaret married James Skinner 30/04/1886 she had also married Charles Cammock 08/06/1883 which said she was a widow. He also died. I haven't found any information about James's father William other than his name on James's marriage certificates. I did try the 1871 census without luck so far. Thank you so much for your help. Margaret

1871


Name: Margaret Ross
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Larbotton, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 69 Clyde St Backland
Occupation: French Polisher
ED: 51
Household schedule number: 73
LINE: 12
Roll: CSSCT1871_137
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Kerr 35
Ann Smith Kerr 13
Thos Kerr 12
George Kerr 1
Margaret Ross 25
Wm Ross 2

So from the above, William's birth will probably be the one I posted earlier. Unless James's father attended the birth registration James would be registered as Ross if his parents never married.

It may be that James just assumed his father was William, same as his brother. Also a bit of a co-incidence that his father was a Joiner and his stepfather a Cabinet Maker. What do you think Margaret?

I think you need to trawl through all the James Anderson AND James Ross births for 1876/1877 births in both Anderston and Calton districts.

I just hope you live near either The Mitchell Library or Scotlandspeople Centre, then it will only cost you £15 to spend a whole day searching the records.

Who did Margaret name as her parents here please?


1886 SKINNER JAMES ANDERSON MAGGIE CALTON (GLASGOW) GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/04 0127


Did she say she was widowed please?

1891

Same address as James married from.

Jas Anderson
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Sister
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 110 Green St
Occupation: Van - Boy
ED: 36
Household schedule number: 41
LINE: 14
Roll: CSSCT1891_256
Household Members:
Name Age
Jas Skinner 50 <<<<<<<<Cabinet Maker
Maggie Skinner 48
Jno Skinner 18
Agnes Skinner 20
Mary Skinner 19
Ann Skinner 11
Wm Anderson 22
Jas Anderson 14

Ann, aged 11 was the only one of the Skinners born in Glasgow

Margaret, have you found the family in 1871 census please?

Have looked at James's first marriage and at that time his mother was Margaret Skinner formerly Anderson maiden name Ross.

So his mother presumably married Mr. Skinner before 30 October 1895


I wondered about this birth for William?


Name: William Ross
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1868
Birth Place: High Church,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Mother: Margaret Ross
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Yes, wasn't holding out much hope as the date is too early, but as it popped up I thought I would throw it one the table.

Sadly, not likely to be the right one, Catherine.
Ross & Cromarty is nowhere near either Glasgow or Ayshire .

Ancestry has some Scotish bmd now, but this one may be too early????

Name: William Anderson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 Jul 1851
Marriage Place: Kiltearn,Ross and Cromarty,Scotland
Spouse: Margaret Ross
FHL Film Number: 990653

Unfortunately, Margaret, for births after 1854, it 's not possible to narrow down a search for a birth on Scotlands People by using the names of either parent.

And James Anderson is a very common name.
There were 45 James Andersons born in Glasgow 1875-77.

Without spending lots of money on credits to view the images of all the birth certs, it's impossible to know which of them might be the one you want.

Just for reference I am including the 1881.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20, Brown Street, Barony, Bridgeton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Anderson Head Widow Female 39 1842 French Polisher Joppa, Ayrshire, Scotland
Transcription
Wm Anderson Son - Male 13 1868 Grocer's Message Boy Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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James Anderson Son - Male 5 1876 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Thanks for your replies, I have every information about him, two marriages all of the children, when he died but just not his birth. I found a census from 1881, mother Margaret Ross born in Coylton, Ayrshire widowed, James 5 and brother William 13. I've followed his mother who was married twice after her first marriage to William (although can't find their marriage either) through to her death. This makes me wonder if they were not born in Scotland although all information says James was he was. Thanks everybody for your help, I don't know what to try next. Margaret :-(

A tree on ancestry has his marriage certificate in 1910 to Margret Price. It says he was a pottery labourer, 33 and a widower of Swanston Street, Glasgow. William Anderson, joiner dec. and Margaret Skinner prev. Anderson MS Ross were his parents.
She was 19 and the daughter of William Price, leather cutter and Jane MS McCarthy.
They were married in the Sacred Heart Church.


Margaret Ross married William Anderson (no certificate or date) and in 1900 she married Andrew Skinner when she was 33. (there is a MC)
She was born 1867 to John Ross and Annie Grant.



EDIT Ok something wrong here. She can't have a son born 1876 if she was born in 1867.

So ignore the marriage to Andrew Skinner and her parents' names as someone has gone off on the wrong track with this and obviously found the wrong Margaret Ross.

Margaret, do you have his parents' marriage please? Could he have been born before they married and registered in his Mum's maiden surnameat the time James married, place of birth would not be recorded on the marriage registration. That is much more recent.

Well his marriage certs should name his father

hi
did he live in glasgow all his life

Scottish BMD's are on Scotlands people, for which you have to purchase credits

Presumably, you know who his parents were, having found him on censuses..........

I cant find my grandfather James Anderson's birth. i have found everything else except this. All the information i have ie census, marriage and death records say he was born in Glasgow. He was born around 1876, married to Margaret McBride who died in child birth and then to Margaret Price. I would be grateful for any help anyone can give. Margaret Anderson :-(