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thank you that must be him friend said he died before she was born and her birth was 1938

Did you mean Alfred Booth?


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Age might be a little out on this one, but it did vary a little in the censuses for him anyway.

He was in Shoreditch on the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

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Deaths Jun 1932 Booth Alfred 66 Shoreditch 1c 57

thank you all

now trying to find the husband of emma's death arthur booth my friend said her mother did not know when he died i think he did not go far from the eastend area

The sad thing is that so many people admitted to asylums at that time suffered from conditions that would be treatable today.

Happy to help., and to confirm the oral family information. that your friend had received.

The work previous posters had done on the census etc for Emma and her family also helped confirm that we sadly had the right lady in 1911 and on the Admissions register.

The links I posted gave some idea of what things might have been like there at the time, and photos of the buildings etc, though your friend may not be interested in that sort of thing.

EDIT: I suppose there's always the chance that if Emma were taken ill with some other illness etc she might have been transferred to some other type of hospital, but that does not seem to be reflected in the discharge records.

Kucintai have let my friend know that her granmother died in the asylum her mother emma told her this my friend said to thank you for finding the place she died in

We already know Emma Booth was in Claybury Asylum when she died - the admission register shows her discharge was 'death'.

The 1911 census I posted shows female, married E Booth at Claybury Asylum, born c1862 Salisbury Wiltshire, where the Brown family came from, and which was given as Emma Booth/Bootle's place of birth in the 1891 census that Chris posted previously.

Admittedly Emma stayed aged 49 from the time of the 1911 census through to Dec 21st 1912 when she died in Claybury Asylum, aka London County Lunatic Asylum, Claybury, Woodford Bridge, Essex, in the sub district of Ilford, which comes under Romford Registration district. However those sorts of minor anomalies with age seem to be par for the course as we are all aware from our researches.

This death tallies with the FreeBMD death reg that Yvonne cited in her original post, and her recent repost on this thread.

Deaths Dec 1912 Booth Emma E 49 Romford 4a 558

As you quite rightly state, the death cert would indeed say where Emma was when she died; but as Yvonne is doing this research for a friend, and as the evidence seems pretty strong (at least to me) that the records posted show Emma did die in a particular lunatic asylum, it's probably an unnecessary expense to incur. :-)

To find out where she was when she died, buy a copy of the death cert.

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UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912

Name: Emma Booth
Gender: Female
Admission Date: 18 Jun 1910
Institution: Claybury
Intitution Place: Essex, England
Death Date: 21 Dec 1912<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Death Place: Essex, England

She died in Claybury Asylum

"The Asylum was built to accommodate 800 male and 1,200 female pauper lunatics, and had over 20 acres of floor space. The sexes were strictly segregated. On admission, each patient was examined and photographed. Male patients were issued with three suits of clothing - two for everyday working wear, that is, one for summer and one for winter, and one for Sundays - as well as an Inverness overcoat. The women had no specific uniform."

More at:

http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/claybury.html

"Claybury Hospital was a psychiatric hospital at Woodford Bridge in Essex. It was opened in 1893 making it the fifth London County Council Asylum

Claybury was built from 1889-1893.The land was previously used for chickens.The architect was George Thomas Hine; Peter Cracknell describes it as the first Compact Arrow design. Situated on the brow of a hill, the site incorporated around 50 acres (200,000 m2) of ancient woodland and 95 acres (380,000 m2) of open parkland, ponds, pasture and historic gardens. These had been designed in 1789 by the landscape architect Sir Humphry Repton for the owner, James Hatch, of what was then called the Claybury Estate. "Claybury" was the name given to a fictitious village in the stories of W. W. Jacobs, but is generally thought to be based on nearby Loughton, where Jacobs lived.

From 1893 it was known as London County Lunatic Asylum, Ilford."

Ilford comes under Romford Reg District, so it seems pretty likely this is Emma Elizabeth. her admission date of June 1910, also explains why she was not with her family in census 1911 as posted earlier in the thread.

This seems to be the 1911 census entry for Emma Booth, in the Claybury Hospital/Asylum, which tallies with the record above, and with the information provided by other posters on the thread :

Name: E Booth
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Salisbury, Wiltshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Ilford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: London County Lunatie Ashlum, Claybury, Woodford Bridge, Essex<<<<<
Marital Status: MarrieD<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 61-63
Household schedule number: 41

EDIT: on the 'infirmity' column on the census image it says "Lunatic at 44", which may give some indication as to how long her problems had been going on.

Most of the other patients also have the same "Lunatic at" followed by an age, which is not their age at time of the census. One person on the page is recorded as an imbecile.

Photos of buildings etc here:

http://thetimechamber.co.uk/beta/sites/asylums/london-county-asylum-claybury

is there any way to find out if emma died in an asylum my friend said her mother told her she suffered mental health problems and she was only 12yrs when her mother died this must be her death


Deaths Dec 1912 (>99%)
Booth Emma E 49 Romford 4a 558

if you could help thank you

hi
thanks for finding that it was jessie not leslie

Name: Jessie Elizabeth Booth
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1890
Father's name: Alfred Booth
Mother's name: Emma Elizabeth Booth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 9 Jan 1890
Alfred is a bricklayers labourer
3 Hudson Place

Jessie as Birth posted (wrong name on Census!)

Chris :)

hi chris
thank you for help

that is the right family name spelt wrong but the leslie born 1890 says daughter single male 1 this is my friends family she says there was no mention of a leslie who was her mothers sibling could leslie have died or could be the wrong family

(any thoughts Yvonne?)

Chris :)

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1862
BROWN Emma E Britford History Centre (Mother Maiden Name) BRINE BRIT/8/180


Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
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BRINE Elizabeth Ann Salisbury 5a 344
Brown William Salisbury 5a 344


Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855
BROWN William BRINE Elizabeth A Salisbury Register Office or Registrar Attended History Centre SAL_RO/2/193

(if relating)


http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
Alfred Bootle Head Married Male 28 1863 Bricklayer Labourer Middlesex, England
Emma Bootle Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Ellen E Bootle Daughter Single Female 5 1886 - Middlesex, England
Alice L Bootle Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Middlesex, England
Leslie Bootle Daughter Single Male 1 1890 - Middlesex, England
Street Watsons Place
Parish Shoreditch
County London
Registration district Shoreditch
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 251
Folio 144
Page 76


Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Booth Jessie Shoreditch 1c 41

William Brown
mentioned in the record of William Brown and Elizabeth Dyer
Name: William Brown
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dyer
Event Date: 02 Oct 1853
Event Place: Saint Edmunds,Salisbury,Wiltshire,England
Father's Name: Thomas Brown
Spouse's Father's Name: William Dyer

hi
thank you all for finding census

Possible birth?

Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
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BROWN Emma Elizabeth Alderbury 5a 194

Emma in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34, Pitfield Street, Shoreditch, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harry Reading Head Married Male 33 1848 Mantle Maker Hampshire, England
Mary Reading Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Dorset, England
Jessie Reading Daughter Single Female 8 1873 - Middlesex, England
Emma Brown Servant Single Female 18 1863 Genl Servant Wiltshire, England