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jimarg45
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18 Mar 2015 22:36 |
Hi all, I've been trying in vain for some time now to find child/children of Genevieve Theresa Stephenson (could be Stevenson). All I know is she was born in India around 1918/1920. The name is her married name, her husband was a British Serviceman; but she could have been divorced/widowed. She had a child in 1946/7.
I have no more details so any help will be greatly appreciated - I know it's a bit of a non starter, but every little helps. ;-)
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Sylvia
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18 Mar 2015 23:42 |
Possible Death Genevieve Theresa Stephenson Birth Date: 27 Apr 1919 Date of Registration: Sep 1985 Age at Death: 66 Registration district: Luton Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire Volume: 9 Page: 336
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jimarg45
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18 Mar 2015 23:49 |
Thanks Sylvia.
I've been told she was of Indian origin, but I have no idea of her maiden name. I had actually found this record, but then wondered why she would come to England if her family were all in India. I really am grateful for anything searches turn up. I've tried looking at Indian military births but the records are very hit and miss.
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Sylvia
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19 Mar 2015 00:04 |
Yes it is very difficult if you do not have her maiden name. I will have another look for you . Good luck in your search.
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brummiejan
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19 Mar 2015 00:14 |
Have you considered getting the cert to see who registered the death? The place of birthand maiden name should be shown if the informant knew them. Jan
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jimarg45
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19 Mar 2015 00:22 |
Thank you for that, brummiejan, It's worth getting as I'm at the proverbial brick wall again. Doh!!! why didn't I think of that :-D :-)
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jimarg45
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19 Mar 2015 00:23 |
In the meantime, if anyone else has any snippets, I will be very pleased to hear from you.
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 01:40 |
This is purely speculative. Unfortunately the full details are not given/image not available as less than 100 years ago. It tallies with the birth year given on the Luton death posted earlier.
First name(s) Genevieve Therese Stuart<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Sheppard<<<<<<<<<<< Baptism year 1919 Birth year 1919 Place Erode Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 1919 Birth date 1919 Archive reference N-2-125 Folio 111 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 01:50 |
Got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was her.
Here's the marriage:
First name(s) Geneviere<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Stuart Sheppard<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1943 Marriage date 1943 Spouse's first name Leslie<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse's last name Stephenson<<<<<<<<<<< Place Madras Presidency Madras Groom's age 23 Bride's age 24<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-173 Folio number 397 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 01:52 |
Wondering if this might be a sibling?
First name(s) Marie Stuart<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Sheppard<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1942 Marriage date 1942 Spouse's first name George Anthony Spouse's last name Paulie Place - Presidency Madras Groom's age 23 Bride's age 23 Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-170 Folio number 351 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages
and another possible?
First name(s) Gerald Joseph Stuart<<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Sheppard<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1942 Marriage date 1942 Spouse's first name Mary Enid Spouse's last name Welsh Place Royapuram,Mater Dolorosa Presidency Madras Groom's age 30 Bride's age 31 Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-170 Folio number 280 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages
Purely speculative based on the 'Stuart'.
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:06 |
Baptsim of Gerald Joseph Stuart was over 100 years ago, so parents are listed. Father was a telegrpher on the baptism register image.:
First name(s) Gerald Joseph Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1911 Birth year 1911 Place Mylapore,Mae de Deus Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Florence Mildred Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Arthur Henry Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 4 Nov 1911 Birth date 24 Oct 1911 Archive reference N-2-110 Folio 190 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:08 |
Another Stuart Sheppard?
First name(s) Joan Margaret Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1920 Birth year 1920 Place Bangalore,St Patrick Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 1920 Birth date 1920 Archive reference N-2-127 Folio 52 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:10 |
Oh dear, Stuart Sheppard, but with different parents, so can't be sure who Genevieve belongs to:
First name(s) Robert Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1911 Birth year 1911 Place Mylapore,San Thome Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Grace Clara Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Robert Stuart Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 11 Jun 1911 Birth date 13 May 1911 Archive reference N-2-109 Folio 82A Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms
Father an Act Inspector Salt Dept.
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:12 |
Another belonging to Florence and Arthur:
First name(s) Reginald Evelyn Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1909 Birth year 1909 Place North Black Town,St Francis Xavier Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Florence Mildred Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Arthur Stuart Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 20 Nov 1909 Birth date 03 Nov 1909 Archive reference N-2-106 Folio 167 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:14 |
Too late for parents' details on transcript:
First name(s) Marie Therese Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1918 Birth year 1918 Place Royapuram,Mater Dolorosa Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 1918 Birth date 1918 Archive reference N-2-125 Folio 290 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:23 |
If you really want to identify Genevieve's parents, you need to see if the baptism register is in the India Office collection at the British library:
"We offer a remote ecclesiastical search service for enquirers who are unable to visit our reading room. The Ecclesiastical Returns (copy registers of births/baptisms, marriages and burials of European and Eurasian Christians in India, Burma and territories controlled from India) held in this collection are not complete. We estimate that 20-30% of the returns are missing. Therefore with any search conducted there is the possibility of failure. Certified copies, i.e.. an official copy with the seal of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, can also be provided. The fees for Ecclesiastical Searches and Certificates are as follows: £36 per search for enquirers of EU countries (includes VAT) £30 per search for enquirers of non-EU countries £18 per certified copy"
http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecordsfamilyhistory/familyresearch.html#search
I think the info on the baptism I posted above can be reformatted asN/2/125/111 so you would only have to pay £18 for the cert copy, not for the search as well, but it might be best to ring the number on the form linked below, 0207 412 7642, or email at the address given on the form, to check that's ok, and ask any other questions you may have.
http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecordsfamilyhistory/ecclesiasticapplication2010.pdf
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:26 |
I'm afraid I haven't really helped with your original question about children. There are some Stephensons born in India, though records tend to peter out after Independence in 1947, but as no maiden names are given for the mother, hard to connect any with Genevieve.
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:33 |
Not sure if this is Genevieve's Leslie, he is the right age. he is with a batch of other young men described as Bevin Boys, many of whom have Indian names:
Name: Leslie Stephenson Birth Date: abt 1920 Age: 23 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 25 Nov 1943 Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland Ports of Voyage: Suez Ship Name: Nea Hellas Search Ship Database: Search for the Nea Hellas in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Anchor Line Official Number: 146307
This may or may not be the same chap travelling back.If so, he is now a fitter. he and the other men have their UK address as Indian Trainees Hostel , The Peoples House, Letchworth, Herts.
Name: L J Stephenson Gender: Male Age: 24 Birth Date: abt 1920 Departure Date: 20 Jul 1944 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Shripad Ship Name: Modasa Search Ship Database: Search for the Modasa in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: B I S N Company, Limited Official Number: 146272 Master: A Drummond
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 02:42 |
I have pmed some Stephenson, mother maiden name Sheppard births in the Luton area, but as it's getting very late/early, I haven't looked for other Stephenson/Sheppard marriages that might account for some or all of them.
Also, being post war, some women may be nee Sheppard, but have married their Stephenson groom as a widow, using their first husband's name, so the marriages may not be obvious, if they exist.
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Kucinta
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19 Mar 2015 10:10 |
You said her husband was a British serviceman, on the offchance he was the Leslie Stephenson who came to the uk in 1943 as a Bevin's Boy but went back as a fitter in 1944, this may be his birth in India:
First name(s) Leslie Joseph Last name Stephenson Baptism year 1920 Birth year 1920 Place North Black Town,St Francis Xavier Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Stephenson Baptism date 1920 Birth date 1920 Archive reference N-2-128 Folio 39 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
I know he had no middle name on the marriage, but Genevieve did not have her second name of Theresa on the transcript either.
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Name: Leslie Joseph Stephenson Birth Date: 12 Apr 1920 Date of Registration: Jun 1978 Age at Death: 58 Registration district: Brent Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 11 Page: 0588
Apologies if this is a complete red herring.
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