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20 Mar 2015 10:51 |
I suffer from insomnia sometimes, so good to have something to distract me ;-)
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20 Mar 2015 10:49 |
Thank you so much Kucinta.
You have been up half the night doing this for me. I am very grateful.
I have PM'd you showing how this fits with little I already knew.
Many thanks again
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20 Mar 2015 02:42 |
Electoral register entries:
Name: Genevieve T Stephenson Year: 1963 County or Borough: Willesden Ward or Division/Constituency: Kilburn Street address: 55 Stafford Road Reference Number: MR/PER/C/1139
Leslie J Stephenson was also living there.
In 1965 they were both living at 6 Bridgewater Road
Name: Genevieve T Stephenson Year: 1965 County or Borough: Wembley Ward or Division/Constituency: Brent Street address: 6 18'j Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3081
NO other Stephensons, but age of adulthood was 21 back then, so any offspring may still have been too young to vote.
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19 Mar 2015 16:24 |
I've pmed a few 1940s Stephenson births in India (for privacy as they are hopefully still living), but as no mother's maiden name is recorded, and Stephenson is a common name, no way of knowing if any relate to a child or children of Genevieve and Leslie.
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19 Mar 2015 15:04 |
Kenneth S Sheppard was heading to England with wife Kathleen, and three other Sheppards, Miss Kathleen aged 31, Mr Kenneth H. aged 20 and Miss Pamela H.aged 18, all from India:
Name: Mr Kenneth S Sheppard Birth Date: abt 1891 Age: 56 Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia Arrival Date: 26 Apr 1947 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay Ship Name: Asturias Search Ship Database: Search for the Asturias in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd
They were heading to North Walk House Chulmleigh Devon.
Death?
Name: Kenneth Stuart Sheppard Birth Date: 8 Nov 1890 Date of Registration: Mar 1980 Age at Death: 89 Registration district: Barnstaple Inferred County: Devon Volume: 21 Page: 0788
and wife Kathleen nee Marsh (see marriage record posted previously)
Name: Kathleen Agatha Sheppard Birth Date: 6 Sep 1893 Date of Registration: Mar 1975 Age at Death: 81 Registration district: Barnstaple Inferred County: Devon Volume: 21 Page: 0896
Her birth/baptism in India:
First name(s) Kathleen Agatha Last name Marsh Baptism year 1893 Birth year 1893 Place Bangalore Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Emma Jane Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Charles George Father's last name Marsh Baptism date 24 Aug 1902 Birth date 06 Sep 1893 Archive reference N-2-92 Folio 136 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms
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19 Mar 2015 14:55 |
Arthur Sheppard came to England, traveling with wife Florence M and a Margaret T Sheppard born 1922:
Name: Arthur Sheppard Birth Date: 12 Feb 1883<<<<<<<<<<<< Age: 72 Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia Arrival Date: 10 Jul 1955 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay Ship Name: Strathaird Search Ship Database: Search for the Strathaird in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 8211/01
They were heading for 350 Long Lane Bexley Heath Kent.
Arthur's death in England:
Name: Arthur Henry S Sheppard Birth Date: 12 Feb 1883<<<<<<<<<< Date of Registration: Dec 1969 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Chelsea Inferred County: London Volume: 5a Page: 1780
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19 Mar 2015 14:24 |
Another son of Jane and the elder Robert Stuart Sheppard, who therefore might be a potential father to Genevieve. Her baptism or marriage record should confirm her father's name. If you got the baptism record from the British Library, it MIGHT also have have her date of birth, to compare with that given on the Luton death posted previously.
Marriage:
Name: Kenneth Hubert Stuart Sheppard Birth Date: 1890 Age: 24 Spouse's Name: Kathleen Marsh Spouse's Birth Date: 1894 Spouse's Age: 20 Event Date: 27 Jun 1914 Event Place: Bangalore, Madras, India Father's Name: Robert Stuart Sheppard Spouse's Father's Name: Charles George Marsh
However as Robert Stuart Sheppard senior had a father named William Stuart Sheppard on his marriage record, the Stuart Sheppard connection might go further back, and Genevieve's father might turn out not to be any of these brothers, but maybe a cousin?
If you can confirm Genevieve's parentage and some siblings, you may be able to encompass their descendants in your search, to see if they have knowledge of Genevieve and any offspring she may have had.
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19 Mar 2015 14:19 |
The two potential Stuart Sheppard fathers I've found so far, Robert and Arthur henry, are brothers, son of another Robert Stuart Sheppard and wife Jane.
First name(s) Robert Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1879 Birth year 1879 Place Vepery,St Mathias Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Jane Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Robert Stuart Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 12 Feb 1879 Birth date 02 Jan 1879 Archive reference N-2-60 Folio 16 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms
Father 1st Asst High School.
First name(s) Arthur Henry Stuart Last name Shepphard Baptism year 1883 Birth year 1883 Place Bangalore Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Jane Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Robert L Father's last name Shepphard Baptism date 10 Mar 1883 Birth date 12 Feb 1883 Archive reference N-2-64 Folio 43 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father an Inspector of Salt Revenue.
Marriage of the elder Robert Stuart Sheppard to Jane. he was already a widower at age 24, and a school master according to the image. Bride 'James' is actually Jane Lavina on the image:
First name(s) Robert Stuart Last name Sheppard Marriage year 1878 Marriage date 12 Feb 1878 Spouse's first name James Lavina Spouse's last name Matcher Place Trivandrum Presidency Madras Groom's age 24 Bride's age 19 Groom's father's first name William Stuart Groom's father's last name Sheppard Bride's father's first name Charles Archibald Bride's father's last name Matcher Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-59 Folio number 104 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Jane and Robert also had other children.
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19 Mar 2015 10:10 |
You said her husband was a British serviceman, on the offchance he was the Leslie Stephenson who came to the uk in 1943 as a Bevin's Boy but went back as a fitter in 1944, this may be his birth in India:
First name(s) Leslie Joseph Last name Stephenson Baptism year 1920 Birth year 1920 Place North Black Town,St Francis Xavier Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Stephenson Baptism date 1920 Birth date 1920 Archive reference N-2-128 Folio 39 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
I know he had no middle name on the marriage, but Genevieve did not have her second name of Theresa on the transcript either.
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Name: Leslie Joseph Stephenson Birth Date: 12 Apr 1920 Date of Registration: Jun 1978 Age at Death: 58 Registration district: Brent Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 11 Page: 0588
Apologies if this is a complete red herring.
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19 Mar 2015 02:42 |
I have pmed some Stephenson, mother maiden name Sheppard births in the Luton area, but as it's getting very late/early, I haven't looked for other Stephenson/Sheppard marriages that might account for some or all of them.
Also, being post war, some women may be nee Sheppard, but have married their Stephenson groom as a widow, using their first husband's name, so the marriages may not be obvious, if they exist.
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19 Mar 2015 02:33 |
Not sure if this is Genevieve's Leslie, he is the right age. he is with a batch of other young men described as Bevin Boys, many of whom have Indian names:
Name: Leslie Stephenson Birth Date: abt 1920 Age: 23 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 25 Nov 1943 Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland Ports of Voyage: Suez Ship Name: Nea Hellas Search Ship Database: Search for the Nea Hellas in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Anchor Line Official Number: 146307
This may or may not be the same chap travelling back.If so, he is now a fitter. he and the other men have their UK address as Indian Trainees Hostel , The Peoples House, Letchworth, Herts.
Name: L J Stephenson Gender: Male Age: 24 Birth Date: abt 1920 Departure Date: 20 Jul 1944 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Shripad Ship Name: Modasa Search Ship Database: Search for the Modasa in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: B I S N Company, Limited Official Number: 146272 Master: A Drummond
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19 Mar 2015 02:26 |
I'm afraid I haven't really helped with your original question about children. There are some Stephensons born in India, though records tend to peter out after Independence in 1947, but as no maiden names are given for the mother, hard to connect any with Genevieve.
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19 Mar 2015 02:23 |
If you really want to identify Genevieve's parents, you need to see if the baptism register is in the India Office collection at the British library:
"We offer a remote ecclesiastical search service for enquirers who are unable to visit our reading room. The Ecclesiastical Returns (copy registers of births/baptisms, marriages and burials of European and Eurasian Christians in India, Burma and territories controlled from India) held in this collection are not complete. We estimate that 20-30% of the returns are missing. Therefore with any search conducted there is the possibility of failure. Certified copies, i.e.. an official copy with the seal of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, can also be provided. The fees for Ecclesiastical Searches and Certificates are as follows: £36 per search for enquirers of EU countries (includes VAT) £30 per search for enquirers of non-EU countries £18 per certified copy"
http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecordsfamilyhistory/familyresearch.html#search
I think the info on the baptism I posted above can be reformatted asN/2/125/111 so you would only have to pay £18 for the cert copy, not for the search as well, but it might be best to ring the number on the form linked below, 0207 412 7642, or email at the address given on the form, to check that's ok, and ask any other questions you may have.
http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecordsfamilyhistory/ecclesiasticapplication2010.pdf
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19 Mar 2015 02:14 |
Too late for parents' details on transcript:
First name(s) Marie Therese Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1918 Birth year 1918 Place Royapuram,Mater Dolorosa Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 1918 Birth date 1918 Archive reference N-2-125 Folio 290 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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19 Mar 2015 02:12 |
Another belonging to Florence and Arthur:
First name(s) Reginald Evelyn Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1909 Birth year 1909 Place North Black Town,St Francis Xavier Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Florence Mildred Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Arthur Stuart Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 20 Nov 1909 Birth date 03 Nov 1909 Archive reference N-2-106 Folio 167 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms
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19 Mar 2015 02:10 |
Oh dear, Stuart Sheppard, but with different parents, so can't be sure who Genevieve belongs to:
First name(s) Robert Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1911 Birth year 1911 Place Mylapore,San Thome Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Grace Clara Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Robert Stuart Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 11 Jun 1911 Birth date 13 May 1911 Archive reference N-2-109 Folio 82A Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms
Father an Act Inspector Salt Dept.
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19 Mar 2015 02:08 |
Another Stuart Sheppard?
First name(s) Joan Margaret Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1920 Birth year 1920 Place Bangalore,St Patrick Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) - Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 1920 Birth date 1920 Archive reference N-2-127 Folio 52 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
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19 Mar 2015 02:06 |
Baptsim of Gerald Joseph Stuart was over 100 years ago, so parents are listed. Father was a telegrpher on the baptism register image.:
First name(s) Gerald Joseph Stuart Last name Sheppard Baptism year 1911 Birth year 1911 Place Mylapore,Mae de Deus Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Florence Mildred Mother's last name - Father's first name(s) Arthur Henry Father's last name Sheppard Baptism date 4 Nov 1911 Birth date 24 Oct 1911 Archive reference N-2-110 Folio 190 Page - Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
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19 Mar 2015 01:52 |
Wondering if this might be a sibling?
First name(s) Marie Stuart<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Sheppard<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1942 Marriage date 1942 Spouse's first name George Anthony Spouse's last name Paulie Place - Presidency Madras Groom's age 23 Bride's age 23 Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-170 Folio number 351 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages
and another possible?
First name(s) Gerald Joseph Stuart<<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Sheppard<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1942 Marriage date 1942 Spouse's first name Mary Enid Spouse's last name Welsh Place Royapuram,Mater Dolorosa Presidency Madras Groom's age 30 Bride's age 31 Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-170 Folio number 280 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages
Purely speculative based on the 'Stuart'.
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19 Mar 2015 01:50 |
Got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was her.
Here's the marriage:
First name(s) Geneviere<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Stuart Sheppard<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1943 Marriage date 1943 Spouse's first name Leslie<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse's last name Stephenson<<<<<<<<<<< Place Madras Presidency Madras Groom's age 23 Bride's age 24<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Archive reference N-2-173 Folio number 397 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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