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I know it will not be possible to prove the story about the true father being from Sutton farm (unless there is a mention in a will or other document) but the relatives who remember my great grandfather say he was a very truthful man . Also he told them that one of the family from the farm emigrated to America . and I have found shipping records that could prove this . . and a def'inate record of Hugh Thomas in Canada .
John Huxtable married and moved to Yorkshire , if I have the right one .
Would be interesting to know if Margarette Morgan (George's mother) Is related to Jane Morgan wife of Edward Thomas , although this is going out of the family line .

Hi Gritty . You have been busy . I do have the birth certificates for Alfred John and William
Here are the details . 4th February 1879 Cowbridge Alfred John Name of Father : John Huxtable Name of Mother: Margaret Thomas ,a domestic Servant occupation of father :Gardener Signature Description and residence of informant . John Huxtable Father . Cowbridge . M Thomas mother Aber House Port Talbot
Registered 18th March 1879 registrar William John

10th March 1881 William . Father ------- Mother; Margaret Thomas General Servant signature of informant ; Margaret Thomas. ,Oldcastle ,Bridgend .
Registered 26th April 1881 registrar Thomas Jenkins

One puzzle with John Huxtable is Cowbridge is 25-30 miles from Port Talbot . and the only Aber House I have been able to trace is in Price town Nantymoel . which was a colliery agents house . so had different families at various times .

Something doesn't seem right- but as I said, I will come back to this tomorrow

Name: Margaret Elizabeth Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1893
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Chapel St Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret

Name: William Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1893
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Chapel St Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret

Name: George Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1893
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Chapel St Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret

Name: Charles Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Chapel St Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret

Name: Peter Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Chapel St Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret

I'm struggling with this family- SO many Thomas family!

I see that Alfred John (John) was brought up by his Grandparents, and in 1891 is living with his Grandmother a couple of doors up from his half siblings in Chapel Street.

This record fits his date of birth (and presumably 'John' is his Grandfather?)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription
name(s) John Thomas
Birth date 04 Feb 1879
Event year 1886
School name Pen-y-bont Boys School, Bridgend
Town Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Parent name(s) John
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM10/14
Archive Glamorganshire Archives

So maybe this entry below isn't your Alfred John?

name(s) Alfred John Thomas
Birth date 04 May 1879
Event year 1884
School name Pen-y-bont Infants School, Bridgend
Town Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Parent name(s) George
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM10/13
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Also baptism- which gives Mother's abode as Port Talbot?

Alfred John, Son of Margaret Thomas, Single Woman, abode Port Talbot, ceremony performed by George Thomas.
name(s) ALFRED JOHN THOMAS
Birth year 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism day 22
Baptism month May
Baptism place NOLTON
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
County Glamorganshire

Birth- For my reference:

name(s) ALFRED JOHN THOMAS
Birth year 1879
Birth quarter Jan Feb Mar
District BRIDGEND
County Glamorganshire
Volume 11A
Page 522

Name: Alfred John Huxtable
Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bridgend
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 522
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And then school record for William:

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription
name(s) William Thomas
Birth date 10 Mar 1881
Event year 1885
School name Pen-y-bont Infants School, Bridgend
Town Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Parent name(s) George
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM10/13

but then also this school record:

name(s) William Thomas
Birth date 04 Apr 1880
Event year 1887
School name Pen-y-bont Boys School, Bridgend
Town Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Parent name(s) George
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM10/14

William listed as William H Huxtable on 1881- but no matching Huxtable birth?

I'll try and come back to this tomorrow!

I don't know if this will help ,or confuse things even more . The family story is this . Alfred John and his brother William Henry were both born before the marriage of Margaret and George Thomas Margaret's maiden name was also Thomas .On the birth certificates Alfred Johns father is given as John Huxtable but three months later he is baptised as Alfred John Thomas. William's father is not named . William is two years younger . In later years Alfred John told some of grandchildren that despite the name on his birth certificate his ,and William's true father was one of the Thomas family from Sutton Farm / Manor . and that John Huxtable was a gardener, who was paid to give his name as the father . In those days the Thomas family were a rich family who farmed half the vale .
Interesting to see the Morgan name on George's family . At the time Alfred John and William were born , the head of Sutton Farm was Edward Thomas who was Married to Jane Morgan. from Saint Brides Major . Also on Alfred John's birth certificate it says Margaret is a domestic servant Aber House . only Aber house I can trace is in Pricetown Nantymoel . At that time there was a Morgan family there , but they were from Montgomeryshire and I haven't been able to find any link . so could be a co-incidence.

On Alfred John's marriage certificate it gives his father's name as Alfred John Thomas the same as his own . His mother and stepfather had both passed away before he married .

In1901 Alfred Johns younger half brother George worked at Sutton Farm

Yes , Catherine , you have got the right family

Looks like the baptisms of Anne, Elizabeth and Catherine:-

Name: Ann Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1865
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Old Castle Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1867
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Old Castle
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


Name: Catharine Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1872
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Old Castle
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

Possible baptism for Margaret??

Name: Margaret Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1860
Event Place: Nolton Bridgend Chapelry, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Bridgend
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


2 possible marriages for her parents, if they married in Bridgend:-

Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
Hopkins Jane Bridgend 11a 509
xxxx Lewis Elizabeth Bridgend 11a 509 xxxx
Simon Evan Bridgend 11a 509
xxxx Thomas John Bridgend 11a 509 xxxxx


Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Davies Martha Bridgend 11a 519
Matthews William Bridgend 11a 519
xxxx Thomas Elizabeth Bridgend 11a 519 xxxxx
xxxx Thomas John Bridgend 11a 519 xxxxx

Posting just to get a clearer view, hoping I have the correct family :-

1871 (for Margaret)

Name: Margaret Thomas
Age: 2 (original show age as 12yrs)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
[1859]
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: John Thomas
Mother's name: Elizabeth Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Coity
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 188
Piece: 5419
Folio: 90
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas 67 - born: 1804 Great Farringdon, Devon, England
Elizabeth Thomas 39 - born: 1832 Llanrleydian, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Margaret Thomas 2 - (original shows aged as 12yrs)
Ann Thomas 6
Elizabeth Thomas 4
Matthew James 47

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1861 ?

Name: Margaret Thomas
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: John Thomas
Mother's name: Elizabeth Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Coity
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
Occupation: Hawker and Lodging House Keeper
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 84
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4077
Folio: 77
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas 40 - born: 1821 Devon, England
Elizabeth Thomas 30 - born: 1831 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret Thomas 1
Margaret Thomas 17 - born: 1844 Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales (servant)
Cathen Williams 12
George Loveridge 18
Evan William 60
Morgan Morgan 60

Thank you .I've been working on this for a couple of years . I think it's the nearest we've got . Alfred John is my great grandfather . .

george thomas's parents marriage

George Thomas
Wales, Glamorganshire, Parish Registers
Name: George Thomas
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 02 Mar 1844
Event Place: Michaelston super Avon, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse's Name: Margarette Morgan
Digital Folder Number: 004378350

If it's not resolved I'll try and take at look at this tomorrow afternoon- I think it might take a while :-)

If you look for Margaret's parents .there is another problem if I have the correct censuses . in 1881 her father is 80 her mother is 50
in1871 father is 67 mother is 39 and in 1861 father is 40 Mother is 30 so not much chance of finding B M D certificates . if they go back that far

So, just for reference, is this Alfred John in 1881?


Name: John Huxtable
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Coyty Lower
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 131 Nolton St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5331
Folio: 93
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas 80 - born: 1801 Tavistock, Devon, England
Elizabeth Thomas 50 - born: 1831 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret Thomas 22 - born 1859 , Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales (occupation: Domestic Servant)
Anne Thomas 16
Elizabeth Thomas 14
Catherine Thomas 9
xxxx John Huxtable 2 xxxx
xxxx William H. Huxtable 1mth xxxx
Jane Smith 64

................also with brother William (from 1891 census), and mother Margaret?

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EDIT:-
1891 John now noted as John Thomas

Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Lower Coyty
Ecclesiastical parish: Coyty
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Chapel Street
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4454
Folio: 97
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Thomas 60
John Thomas 12 - Grandson
Thomas Llewellyn 30 (Lodger)
John Hamons 45 (Lodger)
Thomas Owens 45 (Lodger)
Thomas Collins 56 (Lodger)
John Conner 60 (Lodger)
Richard Llewellyn 34 (Lodger)
Jerre Barnfield 34 (Lodger)

It looks like George the son married a Margaret and his father also married a Margarert or Margaretta

His birth certificate says 4th February . has baptism says 22nd May . I don't know when he celebrated .
His brother William Henry was born 10th March 1881

Alfred John was baptised as Alfred John Thomas at three months old ,but his birth certificate Alfred John Huxtable
his mother 's maiden name was also Thomas .before she married George Thomas

Yes Margaret was Alfred John's mother they lived in Oldcastle but Alfred John was brought up by his grandmother . He was George's stepson . (before Margaret married George )

Alfred at school- do you have Alfred and Margaret on the 1881 census?

First name(s) Alfred John
Last name Thomas
Birth year 1879
Birth date 04 May 1879
Event year 1884
School name Pen-y-bont Infants School, Bridgend
Town Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) George
Residence: Oldcastle
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM10/13
Archive Glamorganshire Archives

The wedding was in Bridgend register office . It just give the address as Oldcastle Bridgend for both bride and groom . Witnesses were Henry Lewis and Annie Thomas , ,who I know was the brides sister