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According to freebmd her birth was registered Oct-Dec 1903 Holborn. I have looked for her in the 1911 census with no luck. Can anyone find her and her family please?

Name:
Winniefred Kate Lissant
Age in 1911:7
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1904
Relation to Head:Daughter (Child)
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Croydon
Civil Parish:Croydon
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Street address:90 Fairholme Road, West Croydon
Registration district:Croydon
Registration District Number:39
Sub-registration district:West Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel:10
Household schedule number:277
Piece:3332
Household Members:
Name
Age

William Brown 51
Edith Emma Brown 21
Rose Amy Brown 19
Emily Brown 17
Beatrice May Brown 16
Richard Philip Brown 9
Winniefred Kate Lissant 7

Andy

There are no other births registered between 1901 and 1911 for a Winifred Kate Lissant so I think that must be her.

Odd that she is down as "Daughter" on the image..........Grandaughter??

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
90 Fairholme Road Croydon, Croydon, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Brown Head Married Male 51 1860 Goldstone General Labourer
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Edith Emma Brown Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Bletchingley Servant
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Rose Amy Brown Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Dorking Ser
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Emily Brown Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Dorking Servant
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Beatrice May Brown Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Warlingham Servant
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Richard Philip Brown Son - Male 9 1902 Purley -
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Winifred Kate Liss Daughter - Female 7 1904 Croydon -

Same family 1901


Name:William Brown
Age:41
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Emma Brown
Birth Place:Godstone, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Merstham
Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints
Town:South Merstham
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Reigate
Sub-registration district:Betchworth ED, institution, or vessel:11
Neighbors:
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Piece:624
Folio:163
Page Number:35
Household schedule number:223
Household Members:
Name
Age


William Brown 41
Emma Brown 40
Mary Brown 19
Edith Brown 12
Rose Brown 9
Emily Brown 7
Beatrice Brown 6
William Brown 5

Andy

I was hoping to find out who her parents were without having to purchase a birth cert but I guess that I will have to.

Thanks for the lookup
Ed

Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
LISSANT Winifred Kate Holborn 1b 666
Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
Lissant Philip Edwin Greenwich 1d 994

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
124 Erlanger Road New Cross S E, St Paul Deptford, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Harry S J Lissant Head Married Male 37 1874 India Calcutta Schoolmaster Asst
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Ethel M Lissant Wife Married Female 34 1877 Peckham London Schoolmaster Asst
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Philip E Lissant Son - Male 1 1910 - -
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Mary S Lissant Sister Single Female 39 1872 India Calcutta Nurse C M B
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Alice Burton Servant Single Female 20 1891 Sussex Elsham General Servant

I am not seeing an appropriate Brown/Lissant marriage.

Is this Winifred's marriage.......

??
Winifred K Lissante in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name:Winifred K Lissante
Spouse Name: Leonard E Tindall
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1927
Registration district:Croydon
Inferred County:Surrey
Volume Number:2a
Page Number:845

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Winifred Kate L Tindall in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:Winifred Kate L Tindall
Birth Date:2 Dec 1903
Date of Registration:Sep 1974
Age at Death:70
Registration district:Hastings
Inferred County:Sussex, East Sussex
Volume:18
Page:1032

1938 and 1939 Electoral Register........

Residing with Leonard Edward Tindall.

Winifred Kate Tindall in the Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1945
Name:Winifred Kate Tindall
Gender:Female
Year:1939
Country:England
County:Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency:Eastern
Place of Abode:44 Valley Road
Reference Number:CC802/56/2

Winifred Kate Lissant
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name:
Winifred Kate Lissant
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:
1903
Registration District:
Holborn
County:
London
Event Place:
Holborn, London, England
Volume:
1B
Page:
666
Line Number:
130

Yes that is her marriage and death

So annoying Ed when you have to cough up for a certificate.

:-|

Prickles. :-)

?????

Just going by propinquity, as Winifred Kate was in Croydon in 1911:

Deaths Sep 1906 Lissant Thurza Elizabeth 38 Croydon 2a 162

Possible mother or other relative?

Thurza was married to a Charles Lissant.:


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

4, Royal Parade, Eastbourne, Sussex, England


Thos Cosnight Head Married Male 71 1830 Lodging House Keepr London, England
Louisa Cosnight Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charles J Lissant Son-In-Law Married Male 38 1863 Jeweller Highgate, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thyrza C Lissant Daughter Married Female 33 1868 - Gravesend, Kent, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Harriett Woodin Servant Single Female 22 1879 Housemaid Domestic Heathfield, Sussex, England

This would be his birth I think:

Births Dec 1864 LISSANT Charles James Ogden Edmonton 3a 129

In 1902 Charles James Lissant is mentioned in Kelly's Directory:

Name: Charles James Lissant
Street address: 5 Grand parade
Publication Title: 1902 Kelly's Directory, Southern Districts
County: London
Country: England
Publication Year: 1902
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He is listed under watch and clockmakers, and his address is 5 Grand Parade, London Road, CROYDON .

The plot thickens!

Census 1881.

Thurza now seems to be niece, not daughter, to Thomas and Louisa Cosnight (birthplace and year tally with Thyrza C Lissant ). from the 1901 census. Her future husband/partner Charles is apprentice to Thomas Cosnight., and seems to be a cousin of some sort.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

42, Wilmington Square, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England

Thomas Cosnight Head Married Male 51 1830 Jeweller Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Louisa Cosnight Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Thyrsa Abrahams Niece Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Gravesend, Kent, England <<<<
Charles Lessant Cousin Single Male 16 1865 Apprentice (Jeweler) Hounslow, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<
Henrick Kreuse Lodger Head Married Male 34 1847 Grocer -
Amelia Kreuse Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Finsbury, Middlesex, England
James T Kreuse Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
John Kreuse Son Single Male 0 1881 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
James Shelley Lodger Head Married Male 31 1850 India Rubber Surgical Instrument Maker Holloway, England
Elizabeth Shelley Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England

EDIT: Seems Thomas's much younger wife was an Abraham:

Name: Louisa Alice Abraham<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Thomas Cosnight<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Mar 1875
Parish: St James, Clerkenwell
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Abraham
Spouse Father: Richard Cosnight
Register Type: Parish Register

Thomas, as we might have guessed, was a widower, Louisa Alice a spinster. His father was a coal merchant, her father was a house builder.

SECOND EDIT: Louisa Alice Abraham married as a spinster, and her father was named John Abraham. A John Abraham and wife Louisa Alice are the parents of Thyrza Elizabeth in the baptism I had posted below.

Thurza 's birth?

Births Mar 1867 Abraham Thirza Elizabeth Gravesend 2a 372

I think the 'C' on the 1901 census should have been an E.

Name: Thirza Elizabeth Abraham
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1869
Father's name: John Abraham
Mother's name: Louisa Alice Abraham
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Note on register says born Jany 31 1867. Father a carpenter. Address Chilton Street.

This is all highly speculative, as I can't link either Charles or Thirza with the Brown family, but they do seem to have resided in Croydon at some point, and Thirza died there.

I cannot trace their marriage at all, nor see what happens to Charles after Thirza's death.

Found the marriage of Thirza and Charles in India:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages

First name(s) Charles James Ogden
Last name Lissant
Marriage year 1891
Marriage date 21 Oct 1891
Spouse's first name Thyrza Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Abraham
Place Calcutta St John
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 27
Bride's age 24
Groom's father's first name John Hiram
Groom's father's last name Lissant
Bride's father's first name John
Bride's father's last name Abraham
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-218
Folio number 218
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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He is described as a jeweller. His father is John Hiram Lissant (deceased) and her father is John Abraham (deceased) Charles is of St John's Parish (Calcutta). Thyrza-Elizabeth of the parish of Bracknell in the diocese of Oxford. He is aged 27 , a bachelor, she is a 24 yr old spinster. One of the witnesses is an S H H Lissant.

I think S. H. H Lissant is a Sidney Herbert Hiram Lissant who married Maria Teresa Hill in India.

EDIT: Sidney Herbert Hiram Lissant's father is listed on his marriage record as John Hiram Lissant, so it seems Sidney H H was Charles James Ogden Lissant' brother.

S H H was also born in the Edmonton reg district like Charles in the birth I posted earlier in the thread:

Births Sep 1862 LISSANT Sydney Herbert Horam Edmonton 3a 116

Will have to see which Lissant she belongs to.

Thanks