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Something that has been puzzling me for years, which you may be able to solve.

Elizabeth Allen
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Daughter (Child)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sittingbourne, Hent
Civil Parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 28 Hawthorn Road, Edmonton
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Machinist
Registration district: Edmonton

According to a relative,
........
"She lived with them (in Edmonton) from 1950 for 15 years then
went into North Middlesex Hospital for a spell, then to the old people's section at Claybury Hospital in Essex where she passed away. This was a Mental Hospital but it was the only place available.

I know she passed her 90th birthday but neither of us can remember how old she
actually was. Hopefully the fact she passed away in Essex will be useful to you."
.......
Any ideas please? Is the relatives memory fault? I'm fairly sure she was still living in the early 1960's, but after then its a bit hazy.

If anyone knows or can work out which reg district Claybury Hospital is/was, that would be a step in the right direction.

Thank you.
[ If I'm away from the PC its because dinner needs to be started off ;-) ]

Googled...........and found

Claybury Hospital was a psychiatric hospital at Woodford Bridge in Essex. It was opened in 1893 making it the fifth London County Council Asylum.

Further googling suggests Chigwell, which I find via genuki to be in EPPING district

Hope this is helpful.........

After googling, it seems that lots of people have had the same problem.

I don't know the answer but based on this reply:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LONDON/2008-08/1217591377

"Claybury Asylum is in Woodford Bridge (now in the London Borough of
Redbridge, previously in Essex). So far as I can tell, it hovers
precariously on the boundary of the Romford and West Ham registration
districts, so unless someone else on the list can come up with a definitive
answer you should probably consider both when searching for his death"

Death:
First name(s) LIZZIE
Last name ALLEN
Gender Female
Birth year 1874
Age 89
Death quarter 1
Death year 1963
District ROMFORD
County Essex
Volume 5A
Page 769
-----------------------------------------

Or:
Death
irst name(s) ELIZABETH J
Last name ALLEN
Gender Female
Birth year 1875
Age 88
Death quarter 1
Death year 1963
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Volume 5A
Page 904

Thank you both.

Although she was known as Lizzie, her given name was apparently something else. The relative and her father believed is was Elizabeth.

The only Epping death on freebmd is
Deaths Sep 1964
ALLEN ELIZABETH 67 EPPING 5A 53
which is far too young.

Is Romford feasable??
Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%)
ALLEN ELIZABETH 93 ROMFORD 5A 353

Sorry Det- I misread your initial post. I thought she had died on her 90th.

Don't worry - I'd made the same mistake at first ;-)

There is this one?

Deaths Jun 1971
ALLEN Elizabeth 19Ja1876 Redbridge 5d 1561

Edit

Redbridge Registration District

Gained part of the London borough of Redbridge (which until 1.4.1965 formed part of the parish of Chigwell) from Epping registration district.


Gained part of the London borough of Redbridge (which until 1.4.1965 formed the parishes of Wanstead and Woodford) from Essex South Western registration distric

First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name ALLEN
Gender Female
Birth day 19
Birth month 1
Birth year 1876
Death quarter 2
Death year 1971
District REDBRIDGE
County Essex
Volume 5D
Page 1561
Country England

Snap Londonbelle!

:-D

:-S Which one do I send for? :-S

The only 'checking point' I can think of is the surname of the informant and their address.

Birth?

Sittingborne is in the Registration District of Milton

Births Mar 1876
ALLEN Elizabeth Milton 2a 846

Probably Londonbelle.

In the unlikely event that the elderly relative can remember when her birthday was, that might help tell if it was the Redbridge one

this is her birth milton is now sittingbourne

Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
ALLEN Elizabeth Milton 2a 846

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Elizabeth Allen
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: Elizabeth Allen
Age (Original): 5
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1876
Birthplace: Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Address: Linton Cottage 40 Church Road
Event Place: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1388 / 101
Page Number: 20
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
George Allen Head M 28 Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Elizabeth Allen Wife F 29 Bruton, Somerset, England
James Allen Son M 6 Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Elizabeth Allen Daughter F 5 Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Alice Allen Daughter F 3 Stratford, Essex, England
Rosetta Allen Daughter F 1 Edmonton, Middlesex, England
James Usher Lodger M 20 Gillegum, Dorset, England
Henry Hughes Lodger M 19 Sittingbourne, Kent, England

Yes - that's correct Yvonne.

Although I've never found a baptism, all the census are known. It was primarily the death we were looking for.

Thank you for your interest

this must be her death claybury is in the redbridge area


Elizabeth Allen
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Elizabeth Allen
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1971
Registration District: Redbridge
County: Essex
Event Place: Redbridge, Essex, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 19 Jan 1876
Volume: 5D
Page: 1561
Line Number: 41

Det

This looks like the 1963 Romford lady



Name:Elizabeth Allen of: 79 Bush Elm Rd

Probate Date:5 Jun 1963

Death Date:17 Apr 1963 Rush Green Hospital, Romford

Death Place:Essex, England

Registry:London, England

Admin to: Horace Edmund Allen

thats her birth sittingbourne kent

this is her birth milton is now sittingbourne

Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
ALLEN Elizabeth Milton 2a 846

note the birth date month
and the death date

This could be the other death you posted



Name:Elizabeth Allen of: Allendale Church Land, Doddinghurst

Probate Date:18 Sep 1964

Death Date:10 Jul 1964

Death Place:Essex, England

Registry:London, England

Probate to: Leonard Arthur Allen