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I found a family in the 1841 census living in Sparrowhill Loughborough but I can't seem to find them in the 1851 census.. Can anyone help?
There names are
Thomas Mcdowall 1806
Eliza Mcdowall 1816
Mary 1837
Eliza 1836
Thomas 1838
John 1839
I think Eliza's maiden name was Leavesley as I found a marriage record in 1834 at All Saints in Loughborough.
There is also a John Mcdowall aged 70, agricultural labourer, living in the same household.
I'm trying to work out if they are related to another family of McDowalls im researching.

This looks like them in 1851 (although some of the details are different from 1841):-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Marshall Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Thomas Mc Dowall Head Married Male 40 1811 Potato Dealer Ireland
Elizabeth Mc Dowall Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Ireland
Mary Mc Dowall Dau Unmarried Female 18 1833 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
Eliza Mc Dowall Dau Unmarried Female 17 1834 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Mc Dowall Son Unmarried Male 13 1838 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ann Mc Dowall Dau Unmarried Female 11 1840 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Mc Dowall Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Mc Dowall Son Unmarried Male 6 1845 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Mc Dowall Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England

Remember that ages were rounded down in the 1841 census.

Kath. x

Thomas Mc Dowall
mentioned in the record of Thomas Mc Dowall and Eliza Leavesley
Name: Thomas Mc Dowall
Spouse's Name: Eliza Leavesley
Event Date: 31 Mar 1834
Event Place: All Saints,Loughborough,Leicester,England

Thomas Mcdowall
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: Thomas Mcdowall
Age: 17
Gender: M
Birthplace: Loughborough, Leicestershire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Schedule Type: Household

Thank you.. Hmm.. Wonder what they were doing in Loughborough!? :-S

This could be the census record for 1851 that Yvonne found:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wood Gate, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Elizabeth McDowall Head Widow Female 46 1805 Linen Mangler Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Thomas McDowall Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Out Door Servant Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
John McDowall Son - Male 15 1836 Wharphand (Cotton) Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Elizabeth McDowall Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 Works At (Worsted) Hosiery Factory Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Eliza McDowall Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1840 Seamstress Of (Cotton) Hosiery Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
William McDowall Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 Scholar Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

Kath. x

Elizabeth Mcdowall
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: Elizabeth Mcdowall
Age: 46
Gender: F
Birthplace: Loughborough, Leicestershire
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household

The family that I know are in my family tree were living in Baxters Gate Loughborough..
Elizabeth Mcdowall 1816 (1811 christened Baradell)
John MCDowall 1816 (Benjamin john Mcdowall christened 1812)
Thomas 1835
John 1837
Eliza 1840
Elizabeth 1838
Was just trying to work out if Thomas was related to this family..

They are a separate family.. Elizabeth was my 3rd great grandmother married to john McDowall who died in 1845
:-)

cant find a death for thomas if elizabeth is a widow in 1851 census

could this be him

Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%)
McDowall Thomas Liverpool 8b 135

So the second 1851 record posted by Kathleen (20 June, 11:29) is the family in your tree?

Is this the birth of your Elizabeth nee Barradel? :


Elizabeth Barradel
England Births and Christenings
Name: Elizabeth Barradel
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 13 Feb 1814
Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,LOUGHBOROUGH,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Barradel
Mother's Name: Mary


If so, the YOB is a long way out from the 1805 given in 1851.
Unless she was christened when she was 9.


EDIT: However, in later censuses, her birth year is given as 1811 or 1812.

That's a different Elizabeth.. She was married to john who died in 1845

I'm confused - do you mean that the family in Wood Gate, Loughborough in 1851, whose children's names and ages match what you've said about "your" family, isn't the right one - ie - your family?

:-S :-S I'm confused now too!! I was answering Yvonne who said she couldn't find a death for Thomas if elizabeth was a widow in 1851.. That's because that Elizabeth was married to John.. They are in my family tree! Hope that makes sense!

Oh, I see - I think!

So, to recap, this is the "other" family you originally asked about, in 1841:

Thomas McDowall

in the 1841 England Census
Name: Thomas McDowall
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Loughborough
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 595
Book: 8
Folio: 54
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McDowall 35
Eliza McDowall 25 - not born in Leicestershire
Mary McDowall 4
Eliza McDowall 5
Thomas McDowall 3
John McDowall 1 3 Mo

All children born in Leicestershire.

The 70-yr-old John McDowall is in a different household, (one of many households at Sparrow Hill) along with an Eliza Cooper.


And for comparison, this is "your" family in 1841:

John McDowell
in the 1841 England Census

Name: John McDowell
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Loughborough
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 595
Book: 9
Folio: 31
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
John McDowell 25 - Tailor
Elizh McDowell 25
Thos McDowell 6
John McDowell 4
Elizh McDowell 3
Eliza McDowell 1

All born Leicestershire.

As your John was born in Loughborough, and Thomas was born in Scotland (or Ireland, if the Manchester family in 1851, posted by Kathleen, is the same one), on the face of it, it doesn't look as if there would be any link, unless in a previous generation.

Yes that's right! I wondered as (and I'm probably going to confuse again!) a relative (no longer alive) once mentioned that a soldier named John Mcdowall from either Scotland or Ireland who fought at Waterloo met a girl in kegworth and got married.. I started digging and found Benjamin john mcdowall wAs born in Kegworth in 1812.. Dad was John and mum Mary so I started to think story was true.. Just trying to find possible brother or sisters for Benjamin.. That's why I started to look at Thomas as there was a john living next door.. Tenuous I know! :-) :-D

Soldier who fought at Waterloo was in Scotch Greys

Is this family any relation of yours? I don't see them in 1841


Mary Elizth. Mc Dowall
England Births and Christenings
Name: Mary Elizth. Mc Dowall
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 05 Jun 1836
Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,LOUGHBOROUGH,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Willm. Alfred Mc Dowall
Mother's Name: Elizth.

Not that I know.. Could be.. I'll have to keep digging.. Can you see anything for John and Mary Mcdowall who christened Benjamin John Mcdowall in kegworth in 1812?