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Absolutely, Prickly.........

Which is why I was trying to convey to Mark that he isn't 'alone'.

Believe me, I know only too well how isolated someone in his situation can sometimes feel.

Before you shoot off to Preston, I think all the Lancs stuff will be in the Liverpool Records Office.

Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, i.e., the capacity to place oneself in another's shoes.

Of course it's an enjoyable pastime, and I derived a deal of pleasure from finding the info

Many on here have problems, which is why we spend so much time at our computers trying to be of help to others.

Family History IS meant to be an enjoyable pastime..........so hang on in there Mark.

Prickles. :-) x

Family history is meant to be an enjoyable past time, I appreciate your help but as I am in a wheelchair and rely on transport I have no option but to wait for assistance.

Well, you gave no indication of having done so............

The least you could do is read it..................For your information I have read it. I cannot verify all information just like that. I will be going to Lancashire and Cheshire record offices in due course, when I have transport to take me .. Thanks

So what about all the info?

Did I waste my time?

The least you could do is read it..................

Just to clarify my relationship is to Sarah Evaline Horsfall 1860-1885 who had a daughter Jessie in 1875.. Thanks

Mark.....any thoughts?

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Ledsham
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 11 Apr 1852
Marriage place Wallasey
Parish St. Hillary
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name King
Bride's father's name William Ledsham
City or town Wallasey
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 6 p 93


Sarah Eveline HORSFALL'S husband's father was William..as per marriage cert

That was not how the document read to me.

Perhaps you've also read it, and put a different slant on the lady's words

Isn't that the marriage I posted?

FULL info

First name(s) Jane
Last name Ledsham
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 15 Nov 1849
Marriage place Wallasey
Parish St. Hillary
Spouse's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's last name Croxton
Bride's father's name William Ledsham
City or town Wallasey
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 6 p 76

It's not really his maternal aunt, I think, but more likely his wife's.

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEDSHAM Jane CROXTON Joseph Wallasey, St Hilary Wirral C11/1/151

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stringhey Road, Liscard, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Croxton Head Married Male 33 1828 Cordwainer - Transcription
Jane N Croxton Wife Married Female 30 1831 Laundress - Transcription
Catherine Croxton Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar - Transcription
Fanny Croxton Daughter - Female 1 1860 -



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
89, Market Street, Hoylake cum West Kirby, Wirral, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane N Croxton Head Widow Female 71 1830 - Wallasey, Cheshire, England Transcription
Ada Croxton Daughter Single Female 39 1862 Housemaid Domestic West Derby, Lancashire, England Transcription
Rachel McAlpine Visitor Single Female 25 1876 Laundress Anfield, Lancashire, England Transcription
George H Tebbs Grand Son Single Male 22 1879 Fisherman Kirkdale, Lancashire, England Transcription
Joseph Williams Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Brewer's Carter Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Transcription



Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Croxton Joseph Wirrall 19 361
Ledsham Jane Wirral 19 361

Of course, as William wasn't Jessie's father, they aren't related to you, unless, of course, it was Sarah who was not related...........and William IS in your family

First name(s) JANE NUTTALL
Last name CROXTON
Gender Female
Age 79
Birth year 1830
Burial year 1909
Burial date 16 Jan 1909
Place HOOSE
Residence Hoylake,
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 5 p 89
Record group Part 1 - 1

There is a fascinating 'Civil Service Evidence of Age' document relating to William on FMP

As you don't have your own computer, I can't send it to you

It's a declaration by his maternal Aunt, one Jane Nuttall Croxton, Licensed Victualler

The 'H' is for Horsfall. HAD to be born before the marriage, in view of age on census.

So not William's child


Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
HORSFALL Jessie Birkenhead 8a 549


Her mother would have been barely 16 when she had her, but, of course, that wasn't illegal in those days


Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
HORSFALL Sarah Evaline Wirral 8a 422

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Saxon Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H S King Head Widower Male 36 1855 Blacksmith Australia Transcription
Jessie H King Daughter - Female 16 1875 - Wallasey, Cheshire, England



First name(s) William Henry Sandford
Last name King
Birth year 1854
Birth date 12 Jun 1854
Place Collingwood
County Australia
Country Australia
Event type Birth
Reference 66631 118
Record set British civil service evidence of age

First name(s) William Henry Sandford
Last name King
Age 22y

Father's name William King (Clerk)
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 31 Oct 1875
Marriage place Birkenhead
Parish St. Anne
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Eveline
Spouse's last name Horsfall
Spouse's age 21y
Bride's father's name John Horsfall (Ship's Carpenter)
City or town Birkenhead
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 1 p 135