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Hi, - I have more info now if anyone can help in finding out what happened to them.

Victoria, Maud, Margaret and Flo were placed in the Brantford,Ontario/Paris, Ontario/ Scotland, Ontario location. Edith is nowhere to be found,

The story goes that George deserted his wife and family - he worked on the rail road.

If someone could have a look for any sign of the girls - adoption records maybe, name changes or marriages using their given surname Parker, deaths or census records - how about census records while they were in care - I would be sooooo grateful.

Mother Marie has also disappeared - I think that as the last child in 1910 was taken as a baby then the others had already been taken into care - perhaps.

Thank you in anticipation - much appreciated all x

Good morning - thanks everyone . Marieceleste - Ruth and James' arrival in the USA is interesting - yes, James was a Tailor and now I have a brother ? for him. I am going to check the baptisms for Rosetta Emily Pack and a marriage for William.

I wonder what they were all doing in the USA - is it worth looking at the census records or not - I dont know if you can.

OK, Checked Rosetta's christening record and then found a record of her death in september 1843 age 3 in Hoxton, middlesex.

Choccy - bingo with Mildred Amelia Eve Parker. This morning I received more names and info on the daughters to work on. Mildred Amelia did in fact have a name change - She was born in Kenora in 1910 after the family's arrival in Canada and adopted as a baby and given the name Mildred Wilson. So the record you found is the correct one and date of parents marriage is correct. thanks

There is a mystery and sadness surrounding the family as I have discovered this morning - The 4 youngest daughters Victoria May, Maud, Margaret and Florence were all taken from the family and put into an orphanage and fostered into homes as working children in South West Ontario - possibly then adopted. I wonder what happened - did George and Marie die?

Edith and Dorothy stayed in Kenora.

Margaret had a daughter and Victoria May also had a daughter - my source of info is her grandaugthter

If anyone could help in finding the death records for George and Marie and also any info on what happened to the children. Are there adoption or orphanage records on line for Canada?

Would love to find out more - thanks loads x

This looks like James and Ruth arriving in USA:

Name: Ruth Peck
Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1837
Birth Date: abt 1817
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Samson

With her is James, age 25 - a "taylor".

The surname does look like Peck (or even Pick) on the image.

A few lines down on the list is a William "Peck", carpenter aged 30.

I noticed that on the same day that Emily Harriet was baptised was this:

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Rosetta Emily Pack
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1842
Baptism Place: Saint Margaret, Rochester, Kent, England
Father: William Pack <<<<
Mother: Jane Flora

Were James and William brothers, travelling to USA together then returning and having their daughters baptised together? Might be worth checking out Rosetta Emily on later census for birthplace.

No birth records coming up in New York but that doesn't mean anything, as temporary residents they mightn't have bothered.

I still cant find George and Maria / Mary's marriage.

Any luck on the other quest for finding George's mothers birth in New York? - Emily Harriet Pack b + - 1842 in New York - rough guess at year as she was baptised in June 1842 in Rochester , Kent.

Six months later In December 1842 Emily's sister is baptised - her place of birth is Chatham 1842. Parents James and Ruth Pack are born in Rochester and Chatham. James was a Tailor - did they go to America for a while and had Emily over there - if anyone can look at births in New York maybe we can find out whereabouts they were around 1840- 2

I'm back - will look through my thread now

Using another surname?


Mildred Amelia Eve Wilson in the Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913

Name:

Mildred Amelia Eve Wilson
[Mildred Amelia Eve Parker]

Date of Birth:
3 Jul 1910

Gender:
Female

Birth Place:
Kenora, Ontario, Canada (Royal Jubilee Hospital)

Father's name:
George Parker

Mother's name:
Maria Parker

stated to have married on 3rd January 1894 in London, England

The Joseph & Margaret Holmes in the 1901 did have a daughter Mary. She appears with them on the 1891 & 1881 census but in the 1881 her POB changes to Manchester:


Name:Mary Holmes
Age:11
Estimated birth year:abt 1870
Relationship to Head:Daughter (Child)
Father:Joseph Holmes
Mother:Margaret Holmes
Gender:Female
Where born:Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Foleshill
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address:Aldermans Green

Joseph Holmes 40
Margaret Holmes 39
Mary Holmes 11
Elizabeth Holmes 10
Joseph Holmes 8
James Holmes 6
John Wm. Holmes 2

I have searched all through the 1911 Potty and I can't find any of them in Canada :-(

Dea x

The 1911 Canadian census is available free on this site:

http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html

I have looked but cannot find the family anywhere in Ontario. Also cannot find George in 1891.

Hi- have to go out for a while but back later - thanks to all for info and please leave any info you have and i'll pck it up later - giving this keyboard a good talking to as well!!! Thanks

we have a baptism for George and his dob is september 1868. The census was taken in April in 1871 so that would make George 2 years 7 months at the time of the census

in 1871 George is recorded as being 2 years old which points to the right babtism and birth in 1868. I think that the age of 9 could have been copied onto the form with the 2 being mistranscribed - it looks very neat on the census and maybe the records were transferred to the final forms from someone with bad handwriting !!! Waffling again - so I think that is the reason and George age 9 is really the only one.

Bingo - also in 1871 george is recorded as 2nd son below William who is age 4 (correct ) so if George was older than William he would have been first - ha!

Yes, I had also thought of that MarieCeleste although john and Emily didnt marry until 1865 but who knows? George's brother William was born in Chatham in 1866 and I cant find father John Parker in 1861.

The Holmes family was in Thornton Heath in the 1891 census and there was a Mary, daughter aged 20 B Hanley Staffs with them

Rosie - re: the 1871 census, it's quite possible that his parents had an earlier son called George who died and they then, as often happened, gave the later son the same name.

EDIT: Hmm, thinking again. If that was the case it doesn't explain how the later one was born 1869 but not on 1871 census.

Something's not adding up.

Great - thanks. Now, any news of theer whereabouts once in Canada or records showing they moved to America.

Think this must be the family arriving in Canada, George having gone ahead a few months earlier:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Polly Parker
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1871
Date of Arrival: 19 Dec 1908
Vessel: Empress of Britain
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada and St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

(Polly is of course an alternate of Mary). With her are Edie 11; Dorothy 10; Maggie 8; Maud 6; Mary 3 and Nora 2 months. They're all headed to Kenora. All born England.

ok, will also check - my keyboard is having a crisis so its taking time to respond without a row of oooooooooooooooooo's etc ! But Margaret Holmes could be a clue to one of the girls names

I've noticed on the 1901 census a Joseph and Margaret Holmes are living next door to George & Marie in Thornton Heath; wonder if there is a connection?

Just going to tpe up details

Joseph Holmes aged 52 B Walston, Warwickshire occ Gardener
Margaret Holmes aged 50 Wife B Scotland
John Holmes aged 21 Son B Warwick, Warwickshire occ Penge Labourer
George Holmes aged 15 Son B Warwick, Warwickshire occ Penge Labourer

yes, thats the correct one - parents are same. I have checked 1871 census and his age is clearly 9 making his birth 1862 but in 1881 he is only 12 b 1869 ? So, that baptism is right