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ok thank you. kath

Long shot as Not found a marriage but is it possible that Mary Ann Collins married a Mansell . ? Husband died and she married as Mansell but of course birth certs would show maiden name.

This us right

Looking on freebmd this is the entry (Note Mary - no Ann):

Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
Collins Mary Birmingham 6d 185
Collins Thomas Birmingham 6d 185
Pugh Thomas Birmingham 6d 185
Rutter Sarah Birmingham 6d 185

However, looking at the original index entry the page and volume numbers for Mary and Thomas are 6d 183. The names are the same.

I have a friend who found a select marriage with the following m
Mary Ann Collins
Thomas Collins
Sarah rutte
Thomas pug
1860 6d 185
Wonder if error transcription
Jath

thank you seems a good lead

1851 DERITEND 1F>23
John Collina (Collins) 1815 a bricklayer.
Sarah 1820 nee Fellows.
Mary 1837 fancy hair platter.
John 1839
Jane 1841
Susan 1849 (Susannah)

A tree has this family on Ancestry and says Susannah married Reuben Dunn.
1881 Deritend 28>60
4ct Bradford Street
Reuben Dunn
Susannah Dunn 1852
Arthur Dunn.

Next door but one are Thomas and Mary Wall at
2ct Bradford Street.

Mary Ann Collins born 15/1/1837 baptised 31/7/1837 by John and Sarah Collins, John a bricklayer of tower Street.

Maryb

hi got graces birth certificate says mary ann collins so with a heavy heart hadto say goodbye to mary ann mansell . still can nt find marriage or census for her mary ann collins. please help

i will do , this one stumped me . kath

Please post birth details on this thread when you get it.

Yeah marriage of grace is right and Thomas sister grace is right . Ive ordered grace 1870 certificate see what it says

St Martin Birmingham
Marriage of Mary Collins of Pinfold Street daughter of Edward Collins to William Austin born @ 1833 a Cabinet locksmith of Pinfold Street.
2/2/1863 they had a daughter Agnes Mary Austin 1863

William Austin in 1881 is with wife Eliza.

Could this be the Mary Ann Austin reffered to in the 1865 marriage to maybe Thomas Wall,when you look on original on Ancestry neither Thomas Wall or Mary Ann Austin show up so there must be a mistake somewhere.

Maryb.

Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%) (22nd June)
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Hines Herbert Lichfield 6b 606
Wall Grace Lichfield 6b 606

(above is on FMP, witnesses, Sarah Wall , William Joseph Pratt, Thomas Wall, Father, Hinge Filer, Wade Street, Lichfield, Residence at Time given for both)

Chris :)

1861 Aston Deritend D01 > 33
Mary Ann Collins 1837 looks like hair platter a lodger.

1861Deritend D13.15
Thoms Wall a boarder.

At least the above are in the same area.

Maryb

Yeah this is the thing we thought it was Mary Ann mansell but this birth cert says Mary Ann collins but I can not find Mary Ann Collins anywhere or marriage. Ibdo know Thomas mom was Sarah Collins would that be significant?

only marriage i can find but not mary ann collins

Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Austin Mary Ann Dudley 6c 195 Scan available - click to view
Smith Emma Dudley 6c 195 Scan available - click to view
Wall Thomas Dudley 6c 195 Scan available - click to view
Whitehouse John Dudley 6c 195

This is the marriage they have on Ancestry trees??

1860 O/N/D Aston 6d 439 December 31st.
Thomas Wall
Caroline Howell
Mary Ann Mansell
George Barrington

In actual fact Thomas Wall 1820 married Caroline Howell and George Barrington 1841 married Mary Ann Mansell 1839 dad John Mansell.
You can follow them on 1861 census etc.

Maryb

Trees on Ancestry say that Thomas was married to Mary Ann Mansill but I think a couple of the trees are yours and others have copied or vice versa.

Thomas sister Grace baptism?
First name(s) Grace
Last name Wall
Baptism year 1843
Baptism date 28 Jul 1843
Baptism place Tettenhall Regis, St Michael & All Angels
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Daniel
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1364/1/7
Page 82
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire baptisms

1881 Grace with her aunt
Joseph Pratt Head Married Male 37 1844 Shovel Maker Walsall, Staffordshire,
Grace Pratt Wife Married Female 37 1844 Bedstead Painter (Iron) Tettenhall Wood, Staffordshire, England
Grace Wall Niece Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire,
Daniel Wall Wifes Father Widower Male 67 1814 Hinge Maker Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England