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We can't find our great grandfathers death date. All we know is that it was between 1891 and 1901. He was a seafarer and on the 1891 census was a watchman on a dredger in the Tyne.

Could either of these two be possibles:-


First name(s) JOHN
Last name GRANT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1828
Age 64
Death quarter 4
Death year 1892
District CARLISLE
County Cumberland
Volume 10B
Page 296

or:-

First name(s) John
Last name Grant
Gender Male
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1894
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1894
Burial date 10 Oct 1894
Burial place Auckland-St. Andrew, Durham, England
Place Auckland-St. Andrew
County Durham
Country England

Kath. x

Shelagh

Could you clarify whether you mean his birthplace is HOWDON in Wallsend or HOWDEN in Yorkshire.

There is also a Howden in Flintshire which first came to mind for me............

Dea x

Forgot that one Dea.

Husband's family are from Howdon, Wallsend and I'm guessing that it would be there if John Grant worked on the Tyne.

I stand 'suitably corrected' M C ;-) :-( :-D :-D :-D

Dea Xxx <3

another possibility?

Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%)
Grant John 82 Sunderland 10a 366

Hi,thank you for taking the time to reply,I will look into all of your suggestions. It is Howden Wallsend .
Shelagh

If this is him in 1891


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

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Census details
First name(s) John
Last name Grant
Relationship Crew
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 59
Birth year 1832
Occupation Watch Man
Birth town Howdon
Birth town as transcribed HOWDON
Birth county Northumberland
Birth county as transcribed NORTHUMBERLAND
Birth place England
Street -
Town -
Parish Elswick
City Newcastle on Tyne
County Northumberland
Registration district Newcastle upon Tyne
Vessel name Amazonas

This could also be his death.



Name: John Grant
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Gateshead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 588

Possible for 1861 census - Tynemouth, North Shields?

John Grant 31 b Howden occ Seaman ( Merchant Service)
Isabella 26 B Felton Northumberland Wife
Mary M 2 Dau B North Shields
John 1/12 Son B North Shields
Jane Earsdon 68 Mother in law B Yettington, Northumberland

Possibly also appears on ship's census for 1861

SS John Brown
John Grant 30 B Howden occ Seaman

Possible Marriage?

Mar 1857

Grant John Tynemouth 10b 262
Earsdon Isabella Tynemouth 10b 262

A Tree on Ancestry has the Marriage of John Grant to Isabella Earsdon taking place at The Roman Catholic Chapel, Bedford St, Tynemouth on 8 Jan 1857.

Possible Roman Catholic Bap for Isabella?

Name Isabella Earsdon
Birth 4 Mar 1835
Father Joannis Earsdon
Mother Joanna Blacklock
Bap Date 8 Mar 1835
Place St Mary's Felton Northumberland
Sponsors Jacobus Blacklock & Gracia Blacklock

Bap for John - Non-conformist Register


Name John Grant
Birth 18 May 1829
Bap 24 May 1829
Parents Peter & Mary Grant formerly Macay
Godfather Patrick McCormish
Godmother Margaret Brown

Title:
St Cuthberts RC Church, North Shields

Reference:
C.NS14

Date:
1807-1988

Held by:
Tyne and Wear Archives, not available at The National Archives

Language:
English

Extent:
13 series + 14 files

Administrative History:

***The early records in this collection predate the first church in North Shields built in 1820/1821 in Bedford Street ****

The present St Cuthberts Church, Presbytery and Parish Centre comprise one unit in Albion Road West, North Shields. The new church was opened on 22 December 1975 and the Parish Centre a month later.

I note that on the 1911 census, although widowed, Isabella has put the complete number of years married as 44 years and this has been crossed out along with details of children born to marriage. So if John & Isabella married in on 8 Jan 1857 we must be looking for a death in 1901 for John. If Isabella is a widow in 1901 census and all the other info is correct we must be looking for a death between 8 Jan 1901 and 31 Mar 1901 when the 1901 census took place.


Edit

The nearest death I can find is

Deaths Dec 1900

Grant John 71 West Derby 8b 357

John Grant's Masters & Mates Certificates are on Ancestry. Cover period 1857 to 1862 (although the 1862 certificate is annotated that he passed in steam in 1871).

In 1857 he lived at 115 Church Street, North Shields and in 1862 he was at 22 Little Bedford Street, North Shields.

ADDED: The address on the 1861 census posted by Londonbelle was Rudyerd Street, North Shields (mis-spelled as Rudyard).

I think this may be the burial for the 1900 death posted:

Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988
Name: John Grant
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 71
Death Year: abt 1900
Burial Date: 8 Oct 1900
Parish: Yew Tree Cemetery, Lancashire, England

Address was 1 Empress Road.

ADDED: The 1901 census has widow Mary Grant age 53 at 1 Empress Road, West Derby

There's always the possibility that he didn't die on land, hence no civil death registration.

Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
First name(s) John
Last name Grant
Gender Male
Birth year -
Death year 1893
Death date Jul 1893
Reported date 1893
Departure port -
Series BT 334
Box 0007

or

Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
First name(s) John
Last name Grant
Gender Male
Birth year -
Death year 1897
Death date May 1897
Reported date 1897
Departure port -
Series BT 334
Box 0016

or

Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
First name(s) John
Last name Grant
Gender Male
Birth year -
Death year 1897
Death date Oct 1897
Reported date 1897
Departure port -
Series BT 334
Box 0016

These records have no other information on the images. There are other John Grants died in the same time frame but they do have further information which eliminates them.

I'll check out the full article for this and add a link:

Last night a man named John Grant.who was engaged as watchman on the 'Tyne Commissioners' dredger lying opposite Stella Staithes, was accidentally killed on the North-Eastern Railway at Blaydon. Grant was, it appears ....
19 January 1901 - Shields Daily Gazette

ADDED:
Here's the image - the age is out but the job seems too much of a coincidence

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/17944585

What was Isabella's address in 1901?

So we can scrap the West Derby death in 1900 then!