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Ok – I need some help finding out anything else about these two:-
Maude E Brammer brn about 1908 and Harry Payne brn about 1906 in Aston, Birmingham.

Maude and Harry married in about Sept 1920 in Aston, Birmingham and had 3 children, Iris, Harry and Ronald.

Maude went on to marry a Clifford Hughes in 1933 and I have traced from this point forwards What I don’t know is anything about Maude and Harry before they were married, including parents, or where they came from?

Any help?

I don't see their marriage record anywhere, Gaynor.

Do you have their marriage cert, which should give fathers' names?

Is this name incorrect?

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Barmer Maud E Payne Aston 6d 1438
Payne Harry Barmer Aston 6d 1438

Jan

Is this a possibility for Maude's birth ??? I don't see a Brammer or Barmer birth


Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
BARBER Maude Enid Boston 7a 398

Actually, no - she couldn't be born c1908 if married in 1920 - she would only have been 12.

This one ??

Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
Brammer Maude Evelyn Nantwich 8a 341


EDIT -
No, looks like that one married Oliver W James:


Maude E Brammer
in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Maude E Brammer
Spouse Surname: James
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1946
Registration district: Crewe
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1023
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Sorry, yes I misspelt the name -I have found the marriage details for Maud to both Harry Payne and then to Clifford Hughes, I wondered if anyone here with their expert skills and access other sites could find any thing out before I order the marriage cert

So the name is Maude E Barmer ( but as we know things can get mis scribed) .
Thanks

This is all I can see, but you might need that marriage cert:

Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
Brammer Maude Evelyn Nantwich 8a 341

Already discounted, Brummiejan, I think.

Sorry, didn't delete quickly enough!
It looks like the maiden name was def. Barmer, as children's births confirm.
You do need the marriage cert I think.
Jan

Thanks - always worth a check here when I get stuck :-)

Just in passing, have found Clifford and Maud on electoral registers, but sadly middle name just recorded as E!

Got her - doesn't help too much as she was Maud Elizabeth

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1896

BRAMMER Maude Evelyn Crewe Cheshire East CR/111/029

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

(from above)

Chris :)

edits

(no, apologies, just read through again!)

Complete speculation

Name: Elizabeth M Barmer
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 631

Name: Elizabeth Maud Hughes
Birth Date: 19 May 1903
Date of Registration: Apr 1994
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: Solihull South
Inferred County: West Midlands
Register Number: B30F
District and Subdistrict: 0731B
Entry Number: 39

Extremely long shot, as back to wrong name of Brammer !

Maud Brammer
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Maud Brammer
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 223



???

Maud Brammer
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Maud Brammer
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Adopted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Where born: Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2178
Folio: 104
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Leese 52
Mary Leese 49
Maud Brammer 4



Maud Brammer
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Maud Brammer
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stone
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Ecclesiastical parish: Blurton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stone
Sub-registration district: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2575
Folio: 71
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Leese 53
Maud Brammer 13

I think you really do need the marriage cert.
Jan

Would someone else like to take a look at this and see if you think that surname is actually Burner and then if you can find her birth or previous census?

Smethwick is historically in Staffs. says Wikipedia

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
71 Lower Cross Stsmethwick, Smethwick, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Cartwright Head Married Male Labourer Gas Engine 58 1853 Oldbury
Harriett Cartwright Wife Married Female Screw Hand Iron 55 1856 Birmingham
Alfred Cartwright Son Single Male - 27 1884 Smethwick
John Cartwright Grandson - Male - 6 1905 Smethwick
Mary Ann Best Mother Of Wife Widow Female - 81 1830 Ombersley
Maude Burner Niece Single Female Screw Hand 19 1892 Smethwick <<<<<<

Could it be Barnes gg? Possibly something to do with William in this census.



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lower Cross Street, Smethwick, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cartwright Head Married Male 37 1854 Bolt Forger Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
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Harriet Cartwright Wife Married Female 34 1857 Screw Wormer Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
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John H Cartwright Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
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Alfred Cartwright Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
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William A Barnes Nephew - Male 14 1877 Screw Machine Minder Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
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Mary A Best Mother In Law Widow Female 59 1832 House Keeper Ombersley, Worcestershire, England

Thanks for looking Alviegal - you're very likely right there, but it was worth a shot!