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Hi - looks like you are on the right track

Like a lot of people back then they often uses a different name then they were born with. So our Maud Elizabeth was in fact born Elizabeth Maud - but called her self Maud -
Maud did marry a Harry Payne before she married Clifford J Hughes ( this has been verified by Clifford grandson - my cousin who I have never met. Interesting to see she may have remarried after cliff's death, I will try and get in touch with him to see if he can confirm

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6999714

(above might be Brother, William Henry)

(Looking at Record image on FMP, his occ. was Sheet Metal worker)


(below not same Birthdate!)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

40 Tithe Road , Wednesfield U.D., Staffordshire,
William Barmer 08 Nov 1899 Male Stoker & Assistant Viewer Married
Elsie Barmer 09 Aug 1900 Female Unemployed Married

(address as Burial for Herbert)


Marriages Sep 1923 (>99%)
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Barmer William H Griffiths Wolverhampton 6b 1318
Griffiths Elsie Barmer Wolverhampton 6b 1318


Birth
BARMER, WILLIAM HENRY (WORRALL)
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 625

Chris :)

(a search on google, brings a second Marriage for Herbert 1912)

(His 1888 to Susannah Worral on FMP (image)


Edits

All Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955

1950
Maud E Hughes
Erdington
301 NEEDHAM STREET
(with Harry and Ronald Payne)

Possible death for Harry Payne:

First name(s) HARRY
Last name PAYNE
Gender Male
Birth year 1896
Age 36
Death quarter 1
Death year 1932
District Birmingham North
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 461
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Warwickshire Burials Transcription

First name(s) Harry
Last name Payne
Birth year -
Death year 1932
Burial year 1932
Cemetery Witton Cemetery
Place Birmingham, Witton Cemetery
County Warwickshire
Source Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Record set Warwickshire Burials

That's odd Chris- wondering if wife of Thomas is a mistake. I don't see another Susannah Barmer in the area.

Saw below...

Chris :)

Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name Merridale Cemetery
Register type Transcript
Burial date 14 Jun 1934
Person age 65y
Burial person forename Herbert Samuel
Burial person surname BARMER
Burial person abode Tithe Road
Register note Parish: Wednesfield. Grave: 13889p. Reg. No.: U4/0866

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(a Susannah, but wife of a Thomas)

Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name Merridale Cemetery
Register type Transcript
Burial date 30 Jul 1902
Person age 33y
Burial person forename Susannah
Burial person surname BARMER
Burial person abode Hospital
Relationship Wife of
Male relative forename Thomas
Register note Parish: All Saints. Occupation: Iron worker. Grave: 5635. Reg. No.: G4/10444

Possible birth:

BARMER, ELIZABETH MAUD (Mother's maiden name: WORRALL)
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 631

Looks to be this family:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, St Jamess Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Herbert S Barmer Head Married Male 32 1869 Wolverhampton, General Labourer At Ironworks
Susannah Barmer Wife Married Female 31 1870 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
Herbert S Barmer Son - Male 11 1890 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
Bernard Barmer Son - Male 3 1898 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
William H Barmer Son - Male 1 1900 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
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It's a little odd- the death for the mother is registered 3rd qtr of 1902, yet Elizabeth Maud was registered 1st qtr 1903- possibly a late registration.

Elizabeth Maud is not with her father in 1911

Maud in 1939:

Hughes Household 108 Mount Street , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

Clifford Hughes 26 Aug 1907 Male General Labourer & Delta Metal) Heavy Worker Married
Maud E Greaves (Hughes) 07 ?Jan or Jun 1905 Female Viewer Bearer Manufacturer Married
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Harry Payne 24 Mar 1922 Male Steel Polisher Cycle Worker Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
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So it looks like Maud married again to Mr Greaves.

Possible marriage:

First name(s) ELIZABETH M
Last name HUGHES
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1956
Spouse: Harry Greaves
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 9C Page number 564

I am also searching for Maud Elizabeth Barmer and Harry Payne. They were married in 1920. I have just sent for the marriage certificate (as a PDF from GRO). These people are my husband's grandparents. He never knew his father or grandparents as his father left his mother when my husband was a very young child.
I would be interested in corresponding with anyone who is related to them.
Catherine

Thanks for looking Alviegal - you're very likely right there, but it was worth a shot!

Could it be Barnes gg? Possibly something to do with William in this census.



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lower Cross Street, Smethwick, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cartwright Head Married Male 37 1854 Bolt Forger Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
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Harriet Cartwright Wife Married Female 34 1857 Screw Wormer Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
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John H Cartwright Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Transcription
Alfred Cartwright Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
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William A Barnes Nephew - Male 14 1877 Screw Machine Minder Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Transcription
Mary A Best Mother In Law Widow Female 59 1832 House Keeper Ombersley, Worcestershire, England

Would someone else like to take a look at this and see if you think that surname is actually Burner and then if you can find her birth or previous census?

Smethwick is historically in Staffs. says Wikipedia

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
71 Lower Cross Stsmethwick, Smethwick, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Cartwright Head Married Male Labourer Gas Engine 58 1853 Oldbury
Harriett Cartwright Wife Married Female Screw Hand Iron 55 1856 Birmingham
Alfred Cartwright Son Single Male - 27 1884 Smethwick
John Cartwright Grandson - Male - 6 1905 Smethwick
Mary Ann Best Mother Of Wife Widow Female - 81 1830 Ombersley
Maude Burner Niece Single Female Screw Hand 19 1892 Smethwick <<<<<<

I think you really do need the marriage cert.
Jan

Extremely long shot, as back to wrong name of Brammer !

Maud Brammer
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Maud Brammer
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 223



???

Maud Brammer
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Maud Brammer
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Adopted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Where born: Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2178
Folio: 104
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Leese 52
Mary Leese 49
Maud Brammer 4



Maud Brammer
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Maud Brammer
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stone
Search Photos: Search for 'Stone' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Blurton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stone
Sub-registration district: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2575
Folio: 71
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Leese 53
Maud Brammer 13

Complete speculation

Name: Elizabeth M Barmer
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 631

Name: Elizabeth Maud Hughes
Birth Date: 19 May 1903
Date of Registration: Apr 1994
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: Solihull South
Inferred County: West Midlands
Register Number: B30F
District and Subdistrict: 0731B
Entry Number: 39

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1896

BRAMMER Maude Evelyn Crewe Cheshire East CR/111/029

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

(from above)

Chris :)

edits

(no, apologies, just read through again!)

Got her - doesn't help too much as she was Maud Elizabeth

Just in passing, have found Clifford and Maud on electoral registers, but sadly middle name just recorded as E!

Thanks - always worth a check here when I get stuck :-)

Sorry, didn't delete quickly enough!
It looks like the maiden name was def. Barmer, as children's births confirm.
You do need the marriage cert I think.
Jan

Already discounted, Brummiejan, I think.