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......and going back to opening post, could this be Alphonzo??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
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Jordan Alphonzo St. Olave 1d 274


Andy

Susette Rose Jordan is with son James John Jordan born 1853 in 1901.James John baptised 8/8/1852 by Susette Rosina and James William Jordan



It sure looks like the same family now
Alfred Manley 1871 had Suzette Rosina Manley 1904 she married William H Fordham in 1937

Maryb

1901 as mentioned by Mary:

Susette Rose Jordan
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Susette Rose Jordan
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Crispin Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 393
Folio: 123
Page Number: 2
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James John Jordan 49
Ellen Jordan 32
Henry Thomas Jordan 20
George Jordan 18
Florence Jordan 19
Thomas Jordan 15
Ellen Jordan 11
Mary Anne Jordan 9
Susette Rose Jordan 70

I see James Jordan was one of the witnesses of Alfred Manley's marriage.

The other one was Martha Matthews, who was also witnessed James Jordan's marriage in 1890.

??? Age doesn't match censuses:

Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%)
Jordan Sussetta 78 St. Olave 1d 103

This will be the daughter S M Manly from the 1871 census, although DOB different:

Susan Jordan
in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Susan Jordan
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Age: 21
Spouse: Robert Long
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Sep 1882
Parish: All Saints, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Manley <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Robert Long
FHL Film Number: 291718
Reference ID: P 92/ALL 1/16 p 230



And daughter Louisa from 1871 census:

Births Sep 1854 (>99%)
JORDAN Louisa Matilda Greenwich 1d 479

(have added to other 'Thread', apologies folks, hadn't read this one!)

Chris :)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1035629

(an old query above, could relate?)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Deptford
Church St Paul
RegisterNumber 1823
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 08 Aug 1852
Forename James John
Sex M
FatherForename James
MotherForename Susette Rosina
FatherSurname JORDAN
Abode Evelyn St
FatherOccupation Labr

(Son on 1861, above old 'Thread')

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Jordan James John Greenwich 1d 458


(1861 FMP, James W Jordan, Sussette M)

A tree on ancestry has James John Jordan and info on his sons.There are newspaper reports on the deaths etc.

James John Jordan a lighterman was on his way home from work to attend his sons funeral and was killed in a accident in the street. He died 27/15/1905.

His son George a lighterman was pulled from the river in Wapping by his dad 21/12/1905 born 1882.
George was the second son of James John's to drown in the river.

James John Jordan 1st married Mary Ann Ballard 4/7/1875 dad James William Jordan deceased. He then married Ellen Jane Stubbs.
Maryb.

What a terribly tragic story.


Regarding Alphonso's father - I suppose the father on his birth certificate is going to be named as James Jordan. Whether it was really James Manly or not, as Susette's name was still Jordan. No sign of a marriage.

All the children except Alfred and Frederick, got married under the name of Jordan.

I can't see a very likely death for James Jordan. Unless it's the one born 1830 died 1869 Whitechapel. Maybe he died in the London Hospital.

Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) GEORGE JOHN
Last name Jordan
Birth year 1882
Birth day 23
Birth month Nov
Bound year 1900
Bound day 13
Bound month Nov
Place ST.JAMES,BERMONDSEY
Source Binding Records 1692-1949
Record set Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010


First name(s) GEORGE JOHN
Last name Jordan
Master's first name(s)
John William
Master's last name Attwood
Bound year 1900
Bound day 13
Bound month Nov
Place POPLAR Date free
Died 1905
Poplar


First name(s) JAMES JOHN
Last name Jordan
Master's first name(s) Robert
Master's last name Colpus
Bound year 1872
Bound day 14
Bound month May
Where from notes St George in the East
Source Binding Records 1692-1949

(perhaps above)

Chris :)

(The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames binding records 1692-1949
82,238 records of apprentice binding books, which include details of each apprentice's binding to his master.

The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames reassignments 1688-1908
A list of apprentices who were reassigned from one master to another ? 12,410 records, including information about both masters and apprentices.)