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James Lynes 1819-1888 was the baseborn son of Rebecca Lynes1798-1884, and I am searching for information about James father. His name was James Wainford (or Wainsford) 1800-? I think he was a Farmer. Rebecca lived in Saxlingham, Norfolk. Her father was Thomas Lynes, her mother Amelia Kirby. Baseborn James grew up to be a farmer with 10acres and married Elizabeth Brightin, 1819-1905, who came from Shotesham, Norfolk. I don't know whether James W came from the same village or from outside. Any help to run James W to earth would be very gratefully received.

County Norfolk
Place Saxlingham Nethergate
Church name St Mary
Register type TR
Register entry number 121
Baptism date 16 May 1819
Birth date 21 Apr 1819
Person forename James
Person sex ?
Mother forename Rebecca
Mother surname LYNES


Do you know the name of the father from his marriage certificate?

Hi, Thank you Beverley. As James was illegitimate he took his mother's surname, which became mine eventually! James Wain(s)ford was named as the baby's father, but there was no marriage. Rebecca went on to marry someone called James Clarke and have two more children. Sadly she ended her life in the workhouse in Swainthorpe Norfolk aged 90. I am interested in where JW came from, his job and his family background.

UK, Poll Books and Electoral Registers

Name:
James Wainford

Poll Year:1837

Hundred:Henstead
Parish or Rectory:Saxlingham Nethergate
County:Norfolk

Name:
James Wainford

Poll Year:1834

Hundred:Henstead
Parish or Rectory:Saxlingham Nethergate
County:Norfolk

states Occupier, Freehold house and Land

Also listed at same household is John Wainford..
and Robert Pymer who was a tenant

There is a James Wainford and Mary Lindo baptising children in Saxlingham Nethergate from 1813

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/saxlingham_nethergate.htm

Chris

Thank you all very much. I've found James junior and Rebecca, but the paternal spaces are empty for obvious reasons!! I think the 1837 chap could well be him. 1813 is too early as he was born in 1800. I'll have a shot at the older date and see what I can find.

Surely if James is the father of a son born c1819, he is going to be born at the latest c1800, more likely in the 1790s or earlier?

The James who married Mary Lindo was having babies baptised before 1813, that's just when the transcript Chris posted the link to, begins:

eg from familysearch:

Name Susan Wainford
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Apr 1802
Christening Place Saxlingham-Nethergate, Norfolk, England
Father's Name James Wainford
Mother's Name Mary Lindo Wainford

Name Louisa Wainford
Gender Female
Christening Date 13 Jan 1805
Christening Place Saxlingham-Nethergate, Norfolk, England
Father's Name James Wainford
Mother's Name Mary Lindo Wainford

and others.

James and Mary's marriage?

England Marriages, 1538–1973 *

Name James Wainford
Spouse's Name Mary Lindoe
Event Date 08 Nov 1796
Event Place Colney, Norfolk, England

from familysearch.

22 bastardy bonds | The National Archives


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Details of 22 bastardy bonds. This record is held by Norfolk Record Office See contact details; ... Norfolk Record Office, not available at The National Archives

Norfolk Transcription Archive - Latest News


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Latest News Home - Search - ... If you haven't been able to get to Norfolk, there are also 686 photos. ... bastardy bonds, and a whole load of other stuff.

Norfolk Record Office Information Leaflet 57 Illegitimacy


www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/view/NCC098543 · PDF file

Norfolk Record Office Information Leaflet 57 Illegitimacy . 1. Parish Registers . While researching your family history, it is quite likely that you will come

Thank you all very much. I've written down in some old notes that James was born in 1800, but I can't remember how or where I got that info as I didn't write that down!!!! so I've been thinking that they were both very young and marriage for one reason or another was not possible, BUT, It could well be that I was wrong and that James was older, and Rebecca, who I know was a domestic servant was, well, in the wrong place at the wrong time!!! Young James became a farmer with 10 acres, (I have a photo of him and his wife taken he he was quite elderly) so I would think that his ''father' accepted some sort of responsibility for him.
I will have a good look at the info you kind people behave provided, and again, thank you.

18 February 1837 - Norfolk Chronicle - Norwich, Norfolk, England

A Very Valuable ESTATE, in Saxlingham. in Norfolk, late in the occupation of the Proprietor, Mr. JAMES WAINFORD, which will be divided into Lots for the convenience of Purchasers. Full particulars will appear in future Advertisements ...”


01 July 1837 - Norfolk Chronicle - Norwich, Norfolk, England

A Very Valuable ESTATE, in Norfolk, late the property of Mr. JAMES WAINFORD, deceased, in the following Lots:- Lot I.—A Small Cottatge And Garden, contain five perches...

(if relating)

Chris :)

England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) James
Last name Wainford
Event year 1837
Burial year 1837
Burial date 10 Feb 1837
Burial place Cringleford, Norfolk, England


Burial
County Norfolk
Place Cringleford
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber 116
BurialDate 10 Feb 1837
Forename James
Surname WAINEFORD
Age 78
Abode Saxlingham

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=475323.27

(Norwich Record Office holds a Will for James Wainford dated 1837 this might hold clues.)

ref:
Wainford, James, farmer, of Saxlingham 1837 NCC will register Warren 318


County Norfolk
Place Cringleford
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber 44
MarriageDate 11 Oct 1785
GroomForename James
GroomSurname WAINFORD
GroomParish Cringleford
GroomCondition Single
BrideForename Ann
BrideSurname RACKHAM
BrideParish Cringleford
BrideCondition Single
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname WALLER
WitnessTwoForename John
WitnessTwoSurname PILE


Burial
County Norfolk
Place Cringleford
Church St Peter Tr
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 21 Feb 1796
Forename Ann
Relationship wife of
Rel1MaleForename James
Rel1Surname WAINFORD
Surname WAINFORD
Age 34
Abode Colney


County Norfolk
Place Norwich
Church St Martin at Palace
RegisterNumber 121
MarriageDate 09 Nov 1796
GroomForename James
GroomSurname WAINFORD
GroomAge
GroomParish Colney
GroomCondition Widower
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname LINDOE
BrideParish Otp
BrideCondition Spinster
WitnessOneForename Edwin
WitnessOneSurname LINDOE
WitnessTwoForename Sam
WitnessTwoSurname MORRIS


?

County Norfolk
Place Saxlingham Nethergate
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 18
MarriageDate 05 Nov 1843
GroomForename James
GroomSurname LINES
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Husbandman
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname WEBB
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Shotesham
GroomFatherForename James
GroomFatherSurname WAINFORD
GroomFatherOccupation Husbandman
BrideFatherForename James
BrideFatherSurname WEBB
BrideFatherOccupation Shoemaker
WitnessOneForename James
WitnessOneSurname WEBB
WitnessTwoForename Susan
WitnessTwoSurname WEBB
Notes Bride, groom and 2nd witness sign X


Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
Lines James Henstead 13 445
WEBB Elisabeth Henstead 13 445


(if relating below)

(Baptisms 11 May 1845 LINES Charles Norfolk Saxlingham Nethergate Father Surname
Baptisms 04 Apr 1847 LINES James Norfolk Saxlingham Nethergate Father Surname)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

This is wonderful, I feel that it must be them as the Lines (Lynes) surname fits. Thank you a dozen times!!!! There has been some controversy as to whether young James married Elizabeth Brightin or Webb!!! It would appear from this that the Webb is the one! Wonder where Brightin comes from? (This could be a complication!!!)
Must have some breakfast, then I shall go through all this. Thankyou again.
Liz.

magpie you can see a transcript of his baptism @

Norfolk baptism project..
under the church stated by other members,this is a free site.

Again thank you. I shall have a look!

hi magpie, I think the 'controversy' would arise from this marriage

Marriages Mar 1844
BENSLEY Sarah Norwich 13 411
? BRIGHTIN Elizabeth Norwich 13 411
BRUNDELL George Norwich 13 411
COOKE William Chapman Norwich 13 411
HOWLETT Sarah Ann Norwich 13 411
> LYNES James Norwich 13 411
SELF James Norwich 13 411
WHITELOCK Sarah Norwich 13 411

but unless someone actually obtained the marriage certificate or found a record elsewhere, there is no way to tell whom that James Lynes married out of that list of four women, and clearly now it was not your James Lynes :-)

OMG! What a conundrum!!! I will try and follow this up though, and thankyou for the info. There's just one other thing I'm trying to discover and that is the death of illegitimate James's father! He was there in 1843 for his sons wedding, but I can't find any evidence of his death. BMD's only have someone of the same name coming from Epsom, and that can't be him! Any ideas?!! Thanks for all your help and interest!!

what information is there that he was at the 1843 wedding?

he is named on that record, but people did not always say their father was deceased

is the death info posted by Chris not likely correct?
... unfortunately just months before registration started, and before the first census