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mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Sep 2015 14:01

Greyghost - thanks for clearing up that bit of the puzzle

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Sep 2015 11:30

mgnv's 1841 census in Kent shows William Jeffery aged 45 and John Jeffery aged 20 both as Agricultural Labourers.

There is nothing to distinguish the names given as other than in the same household. But it's not an Institution, just several pages of "ditto" under the heading of "Town" as opposed to cottages that came before and the schoolhouse after.

The Davis' and William Millstead are the last 3 entries on a previous page which is very dark, has various ticks and crosses and therefore difficult to read occupations.

mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Sep 2015 06:08

All the US censuses thru 1940 are available via:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

There are free image links for 1850/70/1900/40.
1890 was completely destroyed for WI
Nominal census day was 1/6/1830-1900,15/4/1910,1/1/1920, 1/4/1930-40

There are also free state census images, but this census only names the head of h/h. and the # of each sex in h/h. (I've not checked all years)

Lisbon is 8m WSW of Menomonee Falls which is 20m NW of Milwaukee WI

It wasn't unusual for the hubby (or maybe an adult son) to go out first & get stuff like jobs, accomodation, etc sorted, and then for wife & kids to join him later This was the case for my dad, & ma-i-l - both had a cousin come out first, and the uncle followed later.

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1850 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DR-PDQ
1850 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DR-P8Q
[John a=33, Geo a=21; Jas a=28]
1850 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DR-YZ3
[Jane a=27]

1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW96-B2S
Page 67
John Jeffrey M 43 England
Mary Ann Jeffrey F 39 England
George Jeffrey M 18 England
William Jeffrey M 14 Wisconsin
Ann Jeffrey F 12 Wisconsin
Jane Jeffrey F 10 Wisconsin
Mary Jeffrey F 7 Wisconsin
Emeline Jeffrey F 4 Wisconsin
Louisa Jeffrey F 3 Wisconsin
[Household ID 473
GS Film Number 805436
Digital Folder Number 004300462
Image Number 00429 ]

1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW96-BPX
Page 69
Wm Jeffry M 66 England
Mariah Jeffry F 60 England
Susan Jeffry F 29 England
--------------
Henry Jeffry M 21 England
Robert Jeffry M 13 Wisconsin
[Household ID 489
GS Film Number 805436
Digital Folder Number 004300462
Image Number 00431-2]

1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW96-1ST
Page 66
Wm Jeffery M 40 England
--------------
Mary Jeffery F 37 England
Anna Jeffery F 15 England
George Jeffery M 13 England
Jane Jeffery F 11 England
Mary Jeffery F 8 Wisconsin
Alzina Jeffery F 5 Wisconsin
Laura A Jeffery F 2 Wisconsin
[Household ID 470
GS Film Number 805436
Digital Folder Number 004300462
Image Number 00428-9 ]

1870
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNSD-KF2
When you click on image link, you'll see Robert in next h/h, followed by Wm Jr.
It's not clear if Wm Jr's h/h finishes on this page, so open the image in a new window [link at top right]
In this new window, I can page thru the images.
Wm's h/h doesn't continue onto next page, but midway down that page is bro John's h/h.

1880 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNHG-127
Affiliate Film Number 1451
William Jeffery Self M 60 England
George Jeffery Son M 32 England
Clara Jeffery Daughter F 19 Wisconsin, United States
Clara Garver Other F 21 Illinois, United States
Laurie Jeffery Daughter F 21 Wisconsin, United States
William Wildish Nephew M 15 Wisconsin, United States
Mary Jeffery Wife F 57 England
[District 258
Sheet Number and Letter 72B
GS Film Number 1255451
Digital Folder Number 004244779
Image Number 00149 ]

1880 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNHG-12V
Affiliate Film Number 1451
John Jeffery Self M 62 England
William H Jeffery Son M 34 Wisconsin, United States
Emma Jeffery Daughter F 24 Wisconsin, United States
Louisa Jeffery Daughter F 23 Wisconsin, United States
Albert Jeffery Son M 13 Wisconsin, United States
Mary A Jeffery Wife F 59 England
Otto Herman Other M 23 Wisconsin, United States
[District 258
Sheet Number and Letter 72B
GS Film Number 1255451
Digital Folder Number 004244779
Image Number 00149 - same as Wm]

1880 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNHG-1L9
Affiliate Film Number 1451
Henry Jeffery Self M 41 England
Nellie Jeffery Daughter F 14 Wisconsin, United States
Stinla H Jeffery Son M 3 Wisconsin, United States
Emila Jeffery Wife F 32 Wisconsin, United States
[District 258
Sheet Number and Letter 73C
GS Film Number 1255451
Digital Folder Number 004244779
Image Number 00150 - next page]

1880 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNHP-SYC
Nelson Greengo Self M 46 England
Elizabeth Greengo Wife F 45 England
Albert Greengo Son M 13 Wisconsin, United States
Fannie Greengo Daughter F 9 Wisconsin, United States
Ernest Greengo Son M 7 Wisconsin, United States
[District 258
Sheet Number and Letter 73D
GS Film Number 1255451
Digital Folder Number 004244779
Image Number 00151 - page after]

1910
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPVQ-XPW
Emily Jeffrey Head F 62 Wisconsin
Charles H Jeffrey Son M 20 Wisconsin
[District 163
Sheet Number and Letter 13A
Household ID 53
GS Film number 1375754
Digital Folder Number 004454421
Image Number 00415 ]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPV3-JZT
George Jeffery Head M 62 England
Laura Jeffery Sister F 52 Wisconsin
Mary Jeffery Sister F 57 Wisconsin
Arthur Bird Hired man M 17 Wisconsin
Henry Brick Boarder M 29 Wisconsin
[District 162
Sheet Number and Letter 15A
Household ID 301
GS Film number 1375754
Digital Folder Number 004454421
Image Number 00387 ]

For decent resolution, magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
1860
https://archive.org/stream/populationschedu1436unix#page/n432/mode/1up
[This is Henry a=21 & Robt a=13; - you can click back a page for Wm Sr, but he & the rest of his h/h are completely unreadable.
click back twice more for John & almost al of Wm Jr's h/h;
click back once more for a totally unreadable Wm Jr.
The quality of these images is appalling - resumably Ancestry or GR/FMP is better]
1880
https://archive.org/stream/populationsc18801451unit#page/n147/mode/1up
[easiest to click on next page button for rest of John's h/h. +Henry & click again for Eliz]
1910
https://archive.org/stream/thirteenthcensus1741usce#page/n413/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/thirteenthcensus1741usce#page/n385/mode/1up

mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Sep 2015 06:06

1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKL-48C
Name Wm Jeffery
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Biddenden, Kent, England
Residence Note Town
Gender Male
Age 45-49
Age (Original) 45
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1796-1800
Birthplace Kent
Registration District Tenterden
Book Number 7
Parish Biddenden
County Kent
Page Number 17
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 471/57
Affiliate Record Type Institution
HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE
Edwd Davis M NULL Kent
Wm Davis M NULL Kent
Wm Millsted M NULL Kent
Charles Millsted M NULL Kent
Wm Jeffery M 45 Kent
Mary Jeffery F 40 Kent
John Jeffery M 20 Kent
George Jeffery M 13 Kent
Susannah Jeffery F 11 Kent
Mary Jeffery F 10 Kent
Jane Jeffery F 8 Kent
Elizabeth Jeffery F 5 Kent
Henry Jeffery M 2 Kent
Elizabeth Jeffery F 65 Kent
Sarah Pain F NULL Kent
[Adult (15+) ages were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]
[ref=ho107/471/7/57/17]


I don't have a sub, so can't see image
*** IS THIS REALLY AN INSTITUTION - WHAT SORT? ANY OCCUPS SHOWN? ***

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Not sure of relevance
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
County Kent
Place Biddenden
Church All Saints Tr
MarriageDate 09 Dec 1816
GroomForename William
GroomSurname Jeffery
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname Wimsett
Notes FileNumber 2612

County Kent
Place Biddenden
Church All Saints Tr
MarriageDate 13 May 1843
GroomForename William
GroomSurname Jeffery
BrideForename Mary Ann
BrideSurname Wildish
Notes FileNumber 2612

County Kent
Place Biddenden
Church All Saints Tr
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 14 Oct 1850
GroomForename William
GroomSurname Read
BrideForename Mary Collins
BrideSurname Jeffery
Notes FileNumber 2612

County Kent
Place Benenden
Church St George Tr
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 25 Dec 1853
GroomForename William
GroomSurname Jeffery
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname Vousden
Notes FileNumber 2738

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John Jeffery
Birth: May 22, 1818
Death: Jun. 1, 1901

From "History of Waukesha Co., WI" by Western Histoical Company., Chicago 1880
JOHN JEFFERY, farmer, Sec. 2; P. O. Sussex.
This gentleman, one of the first settlers in the north part of Lisbon, was born in County Kent, England, May 22, 1818; in 1844, he came to this country. Married in Oneida Co., N. Y., Mary A. Callow; she was also born in England; in 1843, they moved to Wisconsin, settling in the town of Lisbon, Waukesha Co., which has been their home since; their children are William H., Ann, wife of Myron Oliver; Jane, wife of Franklin Oliver; Mary, wife of Albert Crouch; Emily Louise, Alice and Albert; all of the above live in Lisbon, except the Mrs. Oliver, who lives in Verona, Minn. There are three children deceased, viz., George, who was a soldier in the 28th W. V. I., during the war of the rebellion, and died in the service at Helena, Ark.; he was a good soldier. Elizabeth and George died in Lisbon. Mr. Jeffery has witnessed the trials and privations of pioneer life in North Lisbon, and has a vivid recollection of it as a vast forest. He owns 130 acres of land.

Family links:
Parents:
William Jeffery (1794 - 1877)
Mary Ann Wimsett Jeffery (1799 - 1875)
Children:
Jane E. Jeffrey Oliver (1849 - 1885)*
Siblings:
John Jeffery (1818 - 1901)
William Jeffery (1820 - 1893)*
Elizabeth Jeffrey Greengo (1836 - 1917)*
*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Union Cemetery
Menomonee Falls
Waukesha County
Wisconsin, USA
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Jeffery&GSiman=1&GScid=89420&GRid=30504232&
https://archive.org/details/cu31924028871627
In particular:
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028871627#page/n1013/mode/2up

Looks like a bit of inbreeding here:

Emily Jeffery
Birth: Mar. 16, 1848
Death: Mar. 8, 1915
Daughter of Charles and Harriet Greengo Wildish. Wife of Henry Thomas Jeffery
Burial:
Union Cemetery
Menomonee Falls
Waukesha County
Wisconsin, USA
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Jeffery&GSiman=1&GScty=161582&GRid=30147618&

Henry T Jeffery
Birth: Dec. 18, 1839
Death: Nov. 14, 1907

Susan Jeffrey [NB respelling]
Birth: Aug. 14, 1829
Death: Apr. 18, 1910

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 12 Sep 2015 20:56

this is the person who maintains the findagrave memorial for Mary Ann (I am not sure whether non members can see it)

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=46580208

the messages on her page show that she is the person who submitted all the info I quoted above about WILLIAM JEFFERY 1920 so she would seem to be a family member

it is free to join that site and she can be contacted through there (and actually her email address is posted on that profile)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 20:54

Roland Hills Pearson was also born in Kent, and he emigrated in 1850, according to 1900 census:

Hills Pearson
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Hills Pearson
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 2 Dec 1830
Baptism Place: Smarden, Kent, England
Father: Samuel Pearson
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 1473767
Reference ID: 61


Smarden is very close to Biddenden, so chances are they knew each other before emigrating.


Maybe ????

Hiles Pierson
in the New York, Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1850
Name: Hiles Pierson
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1849
Age: 20
Gender: M (Male)
Port of Arrival: New York
Port of Departure: London
Place of Origin: England
Ship: Prince Albert
Family Identification: 3066789
Microfilm Serial Number: M237
Microfilm Roll Number: 85

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 20:49

Daughter Mary Ann, who married Roland Hills Pearson in Wisconsin in 1852, must have travelled earlier.

1900 census says she arrived in 1845:

Mary Pearson

in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Mary Pearson
Age: 69
Birth Date: May 1831
Birthplace: England
Home in 1900: New Lisbon, Juneau, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1845
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Niels Pearson
Marriage Year: 1852
Years Married: 48
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Mother: number of living children: 6
Mother: How many children: 8
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Niels Pearson 70 - Hills, not Neils
Mary Pearson 69
Albert Pearson 31


Her grave - and a photo:

http://tinyurl.com/ohlqfuc

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 12 Sep 2015 19:04

the memorial at findagrave for son William states

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=68527724

Birth: Jan. 31, 1820 Kent, England
Death: Aug. 30, 1893
WILLIAM JEFFERY, farmer, Sec. 2; P. O. Sussex; was born in 1820, County Kent, England. He married in his native county, Mary A. Wildish; they crossed the Atlantic in 1852; purchased a farm in the town of Lisbon, Waukesha Co., Wis., the same year, and have been residents of that town since; their children are George, Fannie, Jane, Mary, Laura and Clara A.; the second oldest, Mary, is the wife of J. A. Griswold of Pewaukee; the third oldest, Jane, is the wife of Rev. Samuel Jolliffe, M. E. minister, North Prairie, Wis. Mr. Jeffery owns 105 acres of land; is a most successful farmer; the improvements on his farm buildings, etc., are of the best.


and links to his family graves

Spouse:
Mary Wildish Jeffery (1823 - 1890)

Children:
George Jeffery (1847 - 1919)*
Mary Jeffery (1852 - 1922)*
Alzina Jeffery (1855 - 1870)*
Laura A. Jeffery (1858 - 1928)*

Siblings:
John Jeffery (1818 - 1901)*
William Jeffery (1820 - 1893)
Elizabeth Jeffrey Greengo (1836 - 1917)*


so that seems to explain the 1842 and 1852 passages :-)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 12 Sep 2015 19:01

these are the parents' graves at findagrave.com

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=29991266

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=30504262

naming also children John and William and Elizabeth Greengo

the info given for William states:


Birth: May 23, 1794 Biddenden Kent, England
Death: Jun. 20, 1877 Waukesha County Wisconsin, USA
William was born in Biddenden, Kent County, England.
He immigrated with his sons, John and George on board the "Mediater" arriving in New York on 26 April 1842 from England. His wife and other children followed later.


there is no indication of the relationship to the person who manages the memorial but presumably that info was provided by a family member

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:54

Right names, but wrong ages - I'll post this anyway, just in case!

EDIT:
Yes, in light of JoonieCloonie's post below, they seem to be son William, his wife Mary and their children, plus his sisters Susan and Sarah. Not sure about E A Jeffery (male).

All travelling together in 1852:

Wm Jeffery, 31
Mary Jeffery, 29
Fanny Jeffery, 6
George Jeffery, 4
Jane Jeffery, 2
Sarah Jeffery, 26
Susan Jeffery, 22
E A Jeffery, 20



That's on the image for this record:

Susan Jeffery
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Susan Jeffery
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1852
Birth Date: abt 1830
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: American Congress

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:37

Re the ship info:

George's DOB's near enough, but John's is a bit out - but I can't see the image on Ancestry to check:


New York, Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1850
Passenger Lists
Name: George Jeffery
Birth: abt 1828
Origin: Great Britain
Departure: London
Arrival: 26 Apr 1842 - New York


New York, Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1850
Passenger Lists
Name: John Jeffery
Birth: abt 1829
Origin: Great Britain
Departure: London
Arrival: 26 Apr 1842 - New York

Margaret

Margaret Report 12 Sep 2015 17:30

ArgyllGran - what an absolute star you are. I am grateful for all that information. It looks as if more or less the whole family emigrated although there is only mention of William and sons John and George on the ship info (above). Maybe they went at slightly different times. That is something I will try and find out. Thank you so much for your help[.I really do appreciate it.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:25

Susan and Mary Ann christened same day as George, Sarah, William, and the first John:


Susan Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
18 March 1832
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary



Mary Ann Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
18 March 1832
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Biddenden, Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mar

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:20

William Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
18 March 1832
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Biddenden, Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary Jeffery

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:19

Henry Thomas Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
21 July 1839
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:18

Jane christened same day as Elizabeth above:


Jane Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
12 June 1836
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Biddenden, Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary Jeffery

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:12

Elizabeth Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
12 June 1836
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:10

Two possible Johns, including the one Margaret has:

John Jeffery

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
18 March 1832
Biddenden, Kent, England
residence:
Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary




John Jeffery

England, Kent, Parish Registers, 1538-1911
christening:
15 September 1844
Biddenden, Kent, England
father:
William Jeffery
mother:
Mary Jeffery

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 17:09

Re a George, I can see this one, but not the one listed on that tree:


George Jeffery
England Births and Christenings
Name George Jeffery
Gender Male
Christening Date 18 Mar 1832
Christening Place Biddenden, Kent, England
Father's Name William Jeffery
Mother's Name Mary Jeffery


also a Sarah, christened the same day:


Sarah Jeffery
England Births and Christenings
Name Sarah Jeffery
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Mar 1832
Christening Place Biddenden, Kent, England
Father's Name William Jeffery
Mother's Name Mary



And presumably the same Sarah's marriage in Waukesha, so looks like the same family as Margaret's:

Sarah Jeffrey

Wisconsin, Marriages, 1836-1930
marriage:
17 June 1856
Menomonee, Waukesha, Wisconsin
father:
Wm. Jeffrey
mother:
Mary Ann Jeffrey
spouse:
Daniel Pilgrim
other:
Joseph Pilgrim, Elizabeth Pilgrim




Frances Jeffry
England, Kent, Parish Registers
Name Frances Jeffry
Event Type Christening
Event Date 14 Sep 1845
Event Place Biddenden, Kent, England
Father's Name William Jeffry
Mother's Name Mary Jeffry

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2015 16:54

If Mary Ann's ms was Wimsett, there's a tree on Ancestry which lists some of those children, but also has some different ones, including a George.
No proof given for the children's births .

The daughter Mary Ann (1831 Biddenden - 1911 New Lisbon,Wisconsin) seems to be the ancestor of the tree owner. She married Roland Pearson in Waukesha in 1852, so that narrows down the migration date, though migration isn't listed.

The family name is spelled Jeffery.


Family Members
Parents

William Jeffery
1796 – 1893

Mary Ann Wimsett
1801 – 1874

Children: (all apparently born Biddenden, but no proof given):

John Jeffery
20/05/1818 –

James Jeffery
1823 –

Sarah Jeffery
20/03/1825 –


George Jeffery
1827 –


Susan Jeffery
14/08/ 1829 –

Mary Ann Jeffery
20/05/ 1831 – 1911

Elizabeth Jeffery
12/06/1836 –

Henry Thomas Jeffery
1839 –

John Jeffery
1844 –

Frances Jeffery
1845 –