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Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 12:22

Thank you so much pickles and everyone X
A lot to take in and try and get to match up . Will be seeing my grandma this week and hopefully she will be able to connect and remember names or names you have given will trigger a memory X

Julie X :-D

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 14:42

??

Residence: 10 Lonsdale Cottages. (Interesting!)

Robert Thomas in the 1861 England Census
Name:Robert Thomas
Age:54
Estimated birth year:1807
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Ann Thomas
Gender:Male
Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England
Civil Parish:
Kensington St Mary Abbott
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
Town:Kensington
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Registration district:Kensington
Sub-registration district:Kensington Town

Household Members:

Robert Thomas 54 (Cab Driver)
Ann Thomas 38
Robert Thomas 11
Ellen Thomas 8
James Thomas 6
William Thomas 8/12


Robert Thomas in the 1851 England Census
Name:Robert Thomas
Age:38
Estimated birth year:abt 1813
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Ann Thomas
Gender:Male
Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England
Civil Parish:St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch

Household Members:

Robert Thomas 38 (Hackney Coach Driver)
Ann Thomas 29
Henry Thomas 14 <<<<< Henry's age doesn't look like 14 on the image.
Robert Thomas 2
Alfred Thomas 2 Mo

Henry's age is possibly 12??? on the image. Perhaps he was born out of wedlock?


Robert Thomas in the 1871 England Census
Name:Robert Thomas
Age:63
Estimated birth year:abt 1808
Relation:Head
Gender:Male
Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England
Civil Parish:Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish:St Clement
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Kensington
Sub-registration district:Kensington Town

Household Members:

Robert Thomas 63 (Widower) Out of Business
Robert Thomas 21
James Thomas 16
Eliza Thomas 8

Edit: I thought perhaps Robert and Ann were too old to have an 8yr old daughter on the 1871 census........but I was wrong....

Eliza Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:Eliza Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:12 Jan 1863
Born 8th May 1862
Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cabman) 10 Lonsdale Mews
Mother's name:Ann Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:Notting Hill All Saints
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Parish Registers


Eliza Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Eliza Thomas (Spinster) Princes Road
Estimated birth year:abt 1863
Age:20
Spouse: Edward Issac Guest (Bachelor) Horse Keeper
Spouse Age:21
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:23 Jul 1883
Parish:St James Norlands, Kensington
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name:Robert Thomas (Cab Proprietor)
Spouse Father:William Guest
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: James Thomas and Emily Eliza Thomas





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 15:43

This is interesting.......

Helah Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:Helah Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:26 Nov 1852 ....Born 7th November 1852
Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cab Driver) 38 Charles Street
Mother's name:Ann Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone Christ Church
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

I am wondering if Ellen who appears age 8 on the 1861 census, is actually Helah!

I will see if I can find a baptism for Ellen.

Ah, here is Henry, Robert and Alfred's baptism.....They are all on the same page.

Robert Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:Robert Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:25 Apr 1851 ....Born 23rd Nov 1849
Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cab Driver) 12 Milners Mews
Mother's name:Ann Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone Christ Church
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

Alfred born 19th Jan 1857

Henry born 17th Nov 1838....(Ties in with Henry's age of 12 on the 1851 census!)

12 Milners Mews was the address the family were living at in 1851.

It would seem that Henry named his daughter after his sister. "Elah"

Edit: I am not seeing a baptism for an Ellen Thomas.

Baptism for son James......

James Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:James Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:7 Feb 1858
Born 18th Aug 1854
Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cabman) 9 Wellington Mews
Mother's name:Ann Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:Notting Hill St Peter
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Bishop's Transcript

On the same page is brother Joseph.....Born 5th Oct 1856

There is a marriage for James Thomas to Fanny Jane Wheller in 1874.

A daughter born 1890.........

Helah May Thomas in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Helah May Thomas
Registration Year:1890
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Kensington
Inferred County:London
Volume:1a
Page:137


As you can see, I have done some editing...so that everything is all together. :-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 16:01

Helah Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Helah Thomas (Minor)
Spouse: Samuel Wheatley
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:8 Oct 1871
Parish:St Saviour, Chelsea
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name:Robert Thomas (Coachman)
Spouse Father:James Wheatley
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: Thomas Wheatley and Susannah ???

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 16:33

I'm so confused pickles lol
I have just been given the information that I have got two Helah Thomas in my tree both on different branches one on my grandads side and one on my grandmas side :-0

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 16:43

"Helah" is such an unusual name.

I have never come across that name before.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 16:55

This might possibly be Robert and Ann's marriage......

Robert Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Robert Thomas (Widower) Caochman...Pudley Street
Spouse:Ann Lammiman (Spinster) Bridge Place
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:5 Feb 1849
Parish:St Mary, Paddington Green
Borough:Westminster
Father Name:James Thomas (Licensed Victualler)
Spouse Father:William Lammiman (Fishmonger)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: William Gregory and Ann Waite

Oh, I think I saw the name "Gregory" on an 1841 census.

So maybe Henry was the result of Roberts first marriage?

Just off to find that 1841 census.........

And......

??

Robert Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Robert Thomas
Gender:Male
Birth Date:31 Jan 1807
Baptism Date:27 Dec 1807
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother: Dorothy
FHL Film Number:917187

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 17:02

This was the 1841 census I found earlier...

Robert Thomas in the 1841 England Census
Name:Robert Thomas
Age:35
Estimated birth year:abt 1806
Gender:Male
Civil Parish:St Marylebone
Hundred:Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Registration district:St Marylebone
Sub-registration district:St John

Household Members:

Robert Thomas 35 (No Occupation given)
Elizth Thomas 29
Henry Thomas 2 <<<<<
Robert Thomas 4 Mo
Willm Gregory 8 Mo <<<< A witness on the 1849 marriage was a William Gregory.

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 17:03

Helahs daughter Charlotte (my great grandmother) married a Frederick Gregory

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 17:24

Richard G Baylis in the 1911 England Census
Name:Richard G Baylis
Age in 1911:39
Estimated birth year:abt 1872
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Kensington
Civil Parish:Kensington
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:38 Talbot Grove, Notting Hill, Kensington N
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:16
Estimated Marriage Year:1895
Occupation:WAREHOUSE PORTER
Registration district:Kensington

Richard G Baylis 39
Helah Baylis 39
James Baylis 10
Lillian Baylis 5
Charlotte Baylis 2
Rose Baylis 0
Frederick Curtiss 25 (Boarder)



Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%)
Baylis Charlotte Gregory Hammersmith 1a 612
GREGORY Frederick J Baylis Hammersmith 1a 612

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 17:29

Yes that's right my great grandparents x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Sep 2015 11:19

Going back to Robert's baptism......


Robert Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Robert Thomas
Gender:Male
Birth Date:31 Jan 1807
Baptism Date:27 Dec 1807
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother: Dorothy
FHL Film Number:917187


James Thomas in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:James Thomas
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:28 Jan 1802
Marriage Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Spouse:Dorothy Gillard
FHL Film Number:917187


Mary Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Mary Thomas
Gender:Female
Birth Date:18 Dec 1802
Baptism Date:20 Jan 1805
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy


Hugh Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Hugh Thomas
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:6 Nov 1808
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy



Edith Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Edith Thomas
Gender:Female
Birth Date:8 Oct 1810
Baptism Date:8 Nov 1812
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy



Elizabeth Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Elizabeth Thomas
Gender:Female
Birth Date:24 Dec 1804
Baptism Date:20 Jan 1805
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy


Shadrach Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Shadrach Thomas
Gender:Male
Birth Date:26 Jun 1817
Baptism Date:13 Jul 1817
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Death Date:18 Dec 1819
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy



Zillah Clarissa Thomasin the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Zillah Clarissa Thomas
Gender:Female
Birth Date:1 Jan 1819
Baptism Date:21 Jan 1819
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy


Peninnah Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Peninnah Thomas
Gender:Female
Birth Date:8 Jan 1821
Baptism Date:26 Dec 1821
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy

Marriages Mar 1842
ALSOP Benjamin Wellington 10 727
THOMAS Peninnah Wellington Som 10 727


Ella Amelias Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Ella Amelias Thomas
Gender:Female
Birth Date:9 Jul 1824
Baptism Date:18 Aug 1828
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father:James Thomas
Mother:Dorothy


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Sep 2015 11:30

James Thomas in the 1851 England Census
Name:James Thomas
Age:68
Estimated birth year:abt 1783
Relation:Head
Gender:Male
Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England
Civil Parish:Culmstock
Town:Culmstock
County/Island:Devon
Country:England
Registration district:Wellington
Sub-registration district:Wiveliscombe

Household Members:

James Thomas 68 (Widower) Beerhouse Keeper
Hugh Thomas 42 (Unmarried) Farm Labourer

Residence: Millmoor

James Thomas in the 1841 England Census
Name:James Thomas
Age:55
Estimated birth year:abt 1786
Gender:Male
Where born:Devon, England
Civil Parish:Culmstock
Hundred:Hemyock
County/Island:Devon
Country:England
Street address:Millmoor
Occupation:
Registration district:Wellington
Sub-registration district:Culmstock

Household Members:

James Thomas 55 (Woolcomber)
Dorothy Thomas 55
Peniunah Thomas 20
Fellah Thomas 15


Deaths Sep 1846 (>99%)
Thomas Dorothy Wellington 10 310

Deaths Mar 1857 (>99%)
Thomas James Wellington Som 5c 278

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Sep 2015 12:01

James Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:James Thomas
Gender:Male
Birth Date:26 May 1782
Baptism Date:6 Mar 1821
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father: Richard Thomas
Mother: Joan
FHL Film Number:=917187

??

Richard Thomas in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:Richard Thomas
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:2 Oct 1765
Marriage Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Spouse:Joan Fry
FHL Film Number:917187


Dorothy Gillard in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Dorothy Gillard
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:21 Jul 1782
Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England
Father: Robert Gillard
Mother: Elizabeth Good
FHL Film Number:917187