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Looking for Frederick !!!
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Margaret | Report | 7 Oct 2015 13:29 |
I have a Frederick W Clayton b. 1865/66 Deptford. I have him at home as a youngster and have him on 1891 census Deptford age 26 with wife Alice 26 and son Frederick age 1. Nowhere can I find him/them on 1901 census BUT I do have him on 1911 census with the lady he supposedly married Agnes Gertrude Elcock. Trouble is I just cannot find a marriage for this pair. I did find a marriage for Frederick and his first wife Alice (Alice Mary Hammersley 1st qtr 1888). The mystery deepens for me as on 1911 census I find living Peckham Park Road Alice Mary Clayton 48 (who describes herself as a widow! ) son Frederick 21 dau Beatrice Mary 18 and son Herbert George 16. Son Frederick was 1 on 1891 census and is 21 on 1911 which fits the time span. On the 1911 census there is a 20 difference in the ages of Frederick and Agnes Gertrude, he being 45 and she 25 which got me to thinking - as I cannot find a marriage for this pair and a lady looking very much like his first wife is living with her three children - do you think that perhaps Frederick left his wife and family for Agnes Gertrude but was unable to marry her as he was already married. I was hoping the 1901 census may have maybe enlightened me but I cannot find them anywhere. Would anyone be prepared to have a look for them as my eyes are nearly dropping out of my head !!!! Thanks. |
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malyon | Report | 7 Oct 2015 13:35 |
Frederic W Clayton |
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malyon | Report | 7 Oct 2015 13:45 |
Go To: Search Results |
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KathleenBell | Report | 7 Oct 2015 13:52 |
When a marriage broke up in those days it was virtually impossible for an ordinary working class person to get a divorce so the couple often just separated, moved to a different area and lived with another partner, calling themselves married even if they weren't. The partner who was left alone would often describe themselves as a widow or widower. |
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Margaret | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:02 |
No Kathleen unfortunately Malyon has not got the right family. The Agnes Gertrude I am after was born in Romsey, Hampshire and was some 20 years younger than Frederick. Appreciate folk trying anyway. |
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HeyJudeB4Beatles | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:05 |
Where were they living in 1911? |
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Mary | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:06 |
1901 80,Birdin Bush Road Peckam Camberwell |
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HeyJudeB4Beatles | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:08 |
The first marriage is on Ancestry |
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Maddie | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:08 |
found this but may not be yours |
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KathleenBell | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:10 |
Where were Frederick and Agnes living in 1911? |
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Maddie | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:13 |
Kathleen Bell |
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safc | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:16 |
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:16 |
Described as married no Fred junior with her |
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safc | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:18 |
Births Jun 1913 (>99%) |
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KathleenBell | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:22 |
These are the only Agnes Elcock births I can find in Romsey at around the right time. The nearest to year of birth given in the 1911 census is Agnes Catherine:- |
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HeyJudeB4Beatles | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:25 |
This is her christening |
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Maddie | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:27 |
1911 |
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KathleenBell | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:27 |
If you haven't got a marriage for them how do you know Agnes's middle name is Gertrude? Do you have birth certificates from one of the children that gives her full name? |
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Mary | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:28 |
1901 45 Elswick Road same as 1911 |
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HeyJudeB4Beatles | Report | 7 Oct 2015 14:28 |
According to a tree on Ancestry first child was Ernest T born 1904 in Lewisham |
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