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Name: Herbert George Clayton
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 34 Peckham Park Road, Peckham, Camberwell S E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: CLERK
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Peckham North
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 2548
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Mary Clayton 48 ----------- widow ??????
Frederick Marx Clayton 21
Beatrice Mary Clayton 18
Herbert George Clayton 16

This is her christening

Name: Agnes Elcock
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1886
Baptism Place: Romsey, Hampshire, England
Father: Harry Elcock
Mother: Agnes Elcock
FHL Film Number: 1596321
Reference ID: p 25 no 193

Jude

These are the only Agnes Elcock births I can find in Romsey at around the right time. The nearest to year of birth given in the 1911 census is Agnes Catherine:-

First name(s) AGNES
Last name ELCOCK
Birth year 1883
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ROMSEY
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 98

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First name(s) AGNES CATHERINE
Last name ELCOCK
Birth year 1886
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ROMSEY
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 83

I can find no Agnes Gertrude births in Romsey at that time.

Kath. x

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Clayton Agnes H Elcock Lewisham 1d 2081


Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Clayton Ernest S Elcock Lewisham 1d 1939

Described as married no Fred junior with her
1901 census
England & Scotland Census Transcription
80, Bird in Bush Road, Camberwell, London, England


Alice Clayton Head Married Female 35 1866 - -
Beatrice Clayton - Single Female 8 1893 - -
Herbert Geo Clayton - Single Male 6 1895 - -

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
45 Elswick Road Lewisham SE, Lewisham, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
S W Clayton Head Married Male House Painter 45 1866 England Deptford
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Ag Clayton Wife - Female - 25 1886 Hampshire Romsey
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I Clayton Sister - Female Servant General 49 1862 Lewisham
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E A Clayton Son - Male - 7 1904 Lewisham
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H T Clayton Son - Male - 0 1911 Lewisham

Kathleen Bell
1911 for ref

Name: F W Clayton
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: DEPTFORD, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 45 Elswick Rd, Lewisham S E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: HOUSE PAINTER
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 2752
Household Members:
Name Age
F W Clayton 45
A G Clayton 25
F W Clayton 49 ---- sister
E T Clayton 7
H J Clayton 0

years of marriage left blank
3 children born, 2 living

Where were Frederick and Agnes living in 1911?

Kath. x

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Frederick Clayton with Alice Mary and Herbert George

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Name: Frederick Clayton
Year: 1923
County or Borough: Lewisham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Deptford
Street address: 57 William-J

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Name: Frederick Clayton
Year: 1930
County or Borough: Lewisham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Deptford ---- Kitto Road

The first marriage is on Ancestry

Name: Frederick Clayton
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Age: 22
Spouse: Alice Mary Hammersley
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Mar 1888
Parish: St Mary, Spital Square
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Clayton
Spouse Father: John Hammersley
Register Type: Parish Register

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Jude

1901 80,Birdin Bush Road Peckam Camberwell
Alice Clayton head 35 married born St Margarets Westminster.
Beatrice 8 St Judes Peckam
Herbert George 6 St Judes

I can't find son Frederick Marx Clayton 1890 on 1901 census.
Frederick died 1964 probate to Beatrice Mary Clayton spinster.
Beatrice Mary 15/11/1892 died 1979 .

Maryb.

Where were they living in 1911?

Jude

No Kathleen unfortunately Malyon has not got the right family. The Agnes Gertrude I am after was born in Romsey, Hampshire and was some 20 years younger than Frederick. Appreciate folk trying anyway.

When a marriage broke up in those days it was virtually impossible for an ordinary working class person to get a divorce so the couple often just separated, moved to a different area and lived with another partner, calling themselves married even if they weren't. The partner who was left alone would often describe themselves as a widow or widower.

Looks like Malyon has found him for you.

Kath. x

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Fred Clayton
Canada Census, 1901
Name Fred Clayton
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place G, Wellington (north/nord), Ontario, Canada
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Ethnicity English
Nationality Canadian
Religion Latter Day Saint
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birthplace England
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Page 8
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Fred Clayton Head M 36 England
Eve Clayton Daugh F 3/12 Ontario
Agnes Clayton Wife F 36 Ireland
James F Clayton Son M 3 Ontario

Frederic W Clayton
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Frederic W Clayton
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place St Paul, London, Kent, England
Enumeration District 52
Gender Male
Age 6
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Birthplace Deptford, Kent
Entry Number 12
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0748/0128
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

William Clayton Head M 39 Dunmow, Essex
Sarah A Clayton Wife F 32 Ongar, Essex
Albert E Clayton Son M 7 Deptford, Kent
Frederic W Clayton Son M 6 Deptford, Kent
George C Clayton Son M 5 Deptford, Kent
Rose E Clayton Daughter F 1 Deptford, Kent

I have a Frederick W Clayton b. 1865/66 Deptford. I have him at home as a youngster and have him on 1891 census Deptford age 26 with wife Alice 26 and son Frederick age 1. Nowhere can I find him/them on 1901 census BUT I do have him on 1911 census with the lady he supposedly married Agnes Gertrude Elcock. Trouble is I just cannot find a marriage for this pair. I did find a marriage for Frederick and his first wife Alice (Alice Mary Hammersley 1st qtr 1888). The mystery deepens for me as on 1911 census I find living Peckham Park Road Alice Mary Clayton 48 (who describes herself as a widow! ) son Frederick 21 dau Beatrice Mary 18 and son Herbert George 16. Son Frederick was 1 on 1891 census and is 21 on 1911 which fits the time span. On the 1911 census there is a 20 difference in the ages of Frederick and Agnes Gertrude, he being 45 and she 25 which got me to thinking - as I cannot find a marriage for this pair and a lady looking very much like his first wife is living with her three children - do you think that perhaps Frederick left his wife and family for Agnes Gertrude but was unable to marry her as he was already married. I was hoping the 1901 census may have maybe enlightened me but I cannot find them anywhere. Would anyone be prepared to have a look for them as my eyes are nearly dropping out of my head !!!! Thanks.