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This might help in tracing William back - Horatio is too old in 1871 to be William's son, possibly his brother:
Name:
Huatia Nelrian Boyd
[Horatio Nelson Boyd]
Birth Year:
abt 1863
Age:
26
Marriage Date:
8 Jul 1889
Parish:
West Gorton, All Saints
Parish as it Appears:
Gorton, All Stains
Father's name:
Thomas Boyd
Spouse's Name:
Charlotte Annie Galley
Spouse's Father's Name:
Henry Galley
One of the witnesses is Margaret Elizabeth Boyd.
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???? Re the two 3-yr-olds in 1871 census -
Well, they can't be brothers.
Births Jun 1867 (>99%)
BOYD Thomas Henry Chorlton 8c 604
Births Sep 1867 (>99%)
Boyd Thomas Edge Chorlton 8c 597
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOYD Thomas KINASTON Sarah A Manchester, St. John Archives+, Manchester Central Library STJ/7/69
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BOYD Susannah Maria Hume London Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library KINASTON LRD/24/87
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This looks like the same family in 1871, but mangled by the enumerator.
The Boyds and Worsencrofts are two different households at different addresses, next door to each other, but the enumerator has listed the Boyds as children of the Worsencrofts.
William's a smith foreman.
All the Boyds are unmarried - but as the enumerator's made such a mess of the rest of the record, who knows if that's correct!
William Boyd
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Boyd
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Worsencroft
Mother's name: Martha Worsencroft
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 3982
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
George Worsencroft 30
Martha Worsencroft 28
Frank Worsencroft 3 Months
S M H Boyd 23
William Boyd 20 - smith foreman
Jane Boyd 17 - born Liverpool
Martha Boyd 14 - Liverpool
Margaret E Boyd 9 - Manchester
Horatius Nelson Boyd 6 - Gorton
Emmeline Boyd 4 - Gorton
Thomas Henry Boyd 3 - Gorton
Thomas Edge Boyd 3 - Gorton
I wonder if Margaret E, 9, could in fact be the Margaret born 1870, and here aged 9 months rather than 9 years? She's listed as "Son" in the occupation column, although "Daughter" in the relationship column.
[EDIT: Or maybe not - looking back over this thread, it seems that Margaret E aged 9 in 1871 may be the Margaret A aged 9 mths in the 1861 census.
One of these:
Births Jun 1861 (>99%)
Boyd Margaret Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 652
BOYD Margaret Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 653]
SMH Boyd's birth:
Births Sep 1847 (>99%)
Boyd Susannah Maria Hume Manchester 20 702
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Watson Street, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Boyd Head Married Male 37 1824 Engine Fitter Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Sarah Boyd Wife - Female 32 1829 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Susanna Boyd Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1848 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
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William Boyd Son - Male 12 1849 Warehouse Boy -
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Sarah Boyd Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Yorkshire, England
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Jane Boyd Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Lancashire, England
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Martha Boyd Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Lancashire, England
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Thomas Boyd Son - Male 2 1859 - Lancashire, England
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Mary A Boyd Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Lancashire, England
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11, Burrow Street, Bradford, Yorkshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Boyd Head Married Male 27 1824 Engine Fitter Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Sarah Ann Boyd Wife Married Female 22 1829 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Susuannh Boyd Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
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William Boyd Son - Male 2 1849 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
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Sarah Ann Boyd Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Horton, Yorkshire, England
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First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name LITTLER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1874
Age 43
Death quarter 4
Death year 1917
District PRESTWICH
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 301
Country England
this could be her an her birth would be reg 1st quater of 1876
First name(s) MARGARET ELIZABETH
Last name LITTLER
Gender Female
Birth day 24
Birth month 12
Birth year 1875
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1970
District HAVERING
County Essex
Volume 5C
Page 176
so think you need that birth cert for 1st quarter of 1876
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
29 Rylands St Gorton M/c, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Littler Head Married Male Carter 37 1874 Cheshire Tarvin Transcription
Margaret Elizabeth Littler Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Lancashire West Gorton Transcription
Charles William Littler Son - Male School 11 1900 Lancashire Gorton Transcription
Harry Littler Son - Male - 9 1902 Lancashire Gorton Transcription
Ethel Littler Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Lancashire Gorton Transcription
Annie Littler Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Lancashire Gorton Transcription
James Littler Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Lancashire Gorton Transcription
Joseph Perry Visitor Married Male Collier Hewer 26 1885 Derbyshire Stoombrom Transcription
Annie Perry Visitor Married Female - 25 1886 Lancashire Salford Transcription
Della Perry Visitor - Female - 1 1910 Lancashire Gorton Transcription
Lily Perry Visitor - Female - 0 1911 Perbishire Chesterfield Transcription
Lily Robson Boarder Single Female Maker Up 28 1883 Lancashire Bradford Transcription
Mary Dorothy Robson Boarder - Female Sweeper Up 14 1897 Lancashire Openshaw Transcription
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This is an enquiry about the parentage of Margaret Elizabeth Boyd, born Gorton,1876, who married William Littler in 1898. It looks a bit as if she may have been illegitimate, as I can’t find a marriage of her father at an early enough date. It is also at least possible that the Margaret Elizabeth Boyd born in 1870 died, and her father gave the same name to his next child…..? He would have been 21 in 1870.
Can anyone suggest a way to clarify where she was between 1876 and 1891?
Transcriptions are a bit of a problem. I have found:
Searching for more information about Margaret Elizabeth Boyd b 1876
Birth registration Q1 1876 Chorlton, ref ARD/129/46 (Ardwick). I haven’t seen the original, Chorlton 8C p 762. Also in Family search, but no information about parents in either.
Birth Registration 23 Jan 1870 Hulme, father William Boyd, mother Elizabeth. Family Search . This may be a red herring, given the date, or it might have meaning.
Death Jane Elizabeth Boyd Q3 1873 Chorlton. No obvious connection except her second name!
Note: Chorlton, Hulme and Ardwick are adjacent parts of Manchester.
No sign of her in the 1881 Census.
Probably her as Margaret Elizabeth Bryd 15 in 1891 Census, servant in Heaton Mersey. Image of original looks like Margaret Elizabeth Boyd, 15, West Gorton.
Marriage 1898. Margaret Elizabeth Boyd 22, spinster, 11 Lord Street, father William Boyd grinder, married William Littler 24 bachelor, 46 Bury Street, father James Littler labourer, at Gorton parish church.
Littler
Littler 1881 Census. James Littler, family, including William aged 7. Living Chapel Yard, Tarvin. (Tarvin is near Chester).
Littler 1891 Census can’t find James or William Littler.
Littler 1901 Census William Littler 27 coal carter, Tarvin; Margeret Elizabeth Do., wife, 25, Gorton; Charles William Do., son, 1, Gorton. Living 540 Reddish Lane, Gorton. (Father, James Littler, next door, with family.)
Boyd
Can’t find William Boyd 1849 Bristol, in the 1871 or 1881 Census. Although he is not in computer transcribe for 1891, he is there:
Boyd 1891 Census. Wm Boyd, 42, printing machine grinder, Bristol; Jane, wife, 30, Clayton; Wm, son, 12, Gorton, Emma, dau, 7 Bradford, Lancs, Florence M 5, Gorton, Horatio N, 2, Gorton, Harry ?10 m, Gorton. (Clayton, and Bradford Lancs, are districts NE of Ardwick and Gorton). Living 17 Lord Street, Gorton.
NOTE 1: Lord Street, Gorton, as ME Boyd on marriage cert 1898.
NOTE 2: May be significant, given William, his son, was born 12 in the 1891 Census, i.e. born between Q2 1878 and Q1 1879.
Boyd 1901 Census. William Boyd, 52, iron grinder, Bristol; Jane Boyd wife, 40, Clayton, Lancs, a number of children all born Gorton, from Florence 15 and Horatio N Boyd 12 to Sarah A 5 and Walter R 3. Living 22 Bank Street, Gorton.
Searching for marriage of William Boyd in this area of Lancashire 1855-1880:
A William Boyd married in Q4 1857 Salford 8D 34. The bride’s name was Eliza Jane Dickson or Catherine Mann.
A William Boyd married in Chorlton in Q4 1867. 8C 626. I don’t know the bride’s name.
A William Boyd married in Manchester in Q4 1872, bride’s name Mary Ann Leighton or Amelia Marrs.
A William Boyd married in Q3 1873 in Manchester. 8D 357. I don’t know the bride’s name.
A William Boyd married in Q2 1879 in Chorlton, 8C 923. The bride was Jane Hollis or Agnes Rowan.
Hugh Wolfson
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