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Thank you Chris that IS my grandfather & G mother . x

(Father as William, was on below 'Thread')

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1348537

Chris :)


Tenerife Sun Report 15 Jan 2015 16:00

his parents marriage

NAME: John William Bean
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1869
AGE: 21
MARRIAGE OR BANN DATE: 23 Mar 1890
PARISH: Woodhouse, St Mark
FATHER'S NAME: William Bean
SPOUSE'S NAME: Loretta Butterill
SPOUSE'S FATHER'S NAME: John Butterill

Thanks I'll make the change xox

Sheila, if you're making a copy, please note that I've corrected my 22:35 post, as I'd mistakenly put in a Wakefield birth instead of the Pontefract one.

(In case you made your copy before I did that.)

Thanks, On a light note what a bummer I quite liked the thought of having a Kettlestring in my family tree , but then the true must out . I can't thank you enough for putting me right . I'll Take a hard copy and have a very good read


Thanks again Argyllgran and all who helped me <3

Maria Elizabeth Bean

in the England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Maria Elizabeth Bean
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Jun 1866
Christening Place: York, Yorkshire, England
Father's name: Joseph Bean
Mother's name: Ann

If John & Loretta were your grandparents, John's father was William, not Joseph.


This is John William who was son of Joseph and Annie.

1871 already posted.

John W. Bean
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John W. Bean
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Joseph Bean
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: York St Maurice
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 22 Orchard Street
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: York
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4722
Folio: 118
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bean 48
Frederick W. Bean 22
Helen Bean 19
Maria E. Bean 14
John W. Bean 12
Edward Bean 5


John W Bean

in the 1891 England Census
Name: John W Bean
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Maurice
Ecclesiastical parish: St Maurice
Town: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3891
Folio: 70
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Bean 22 - gas fitter and (something) repairer
Maria E Bean 24 - sister
Edward Bean 15 - brother

You are right about but I will "go "for Joseph & Annie as I remember as a child I had an Uncle who was
called Uncle Stanley Pat

The John William who married Loretta was born in Pontefract and his parents were William and Eliza.

I hope you are right Kettlestrings is a wonderful name I think I'll need a cuppa while I sort the Beans out . The Pattison's seem ok but time will tell Thanks again

Sheila -

My post just before your last one points out that there were two John William Beans born in 1869.
One born in Wakefield (son of William and Eliza) and one in York (son of Joseph & Annie).

If you look again at the baptism records you will see that they were Catholic so the names are actually in Latin.

Shiela, you say that you 'think' Annies parents were Mathew and Helen. To be absolutely sure you really should start by buying a copy of her marriage certificate to Joseph.
This should give you at least her father's name and his occupation which could help find, or confirm information already found.
If it states that her father was Mathew then it would also be helpful to know what his address was and also his occupation to see if we can find him with more certainty on the census records.

No ArgyllGran Joseph was John William's father ' I righted that error Sorry .John William Bean 1869-1942 & Loretta Butterill 1871-1951 my Grandfather& G/mother so Joseph must by my Great grandfather

But I don't see the connection between Joseph, and John & Loretta - there seem to have been two John William Beans born in 1869.

Births Mar 1869 (>99%)
BEAN John William York 9d 38

Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
BEAN John William Pontefract 9c 73

The Pontefract one is William and Eliza's son, and the York one is Joseph and Annie's son.

EDIT:
I've edited this, as I'd mistakenly posted a Wakefield birth instead of the Pontefract one.

Maybe ???

Joseph Bean
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Joseph Bean
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1833
Baptism Date: 22 Mar 1833
Baptism Place: New Street Albion Street and Saint Georges Chapel Yorkeyan,York,York,England
Father: William Bean
Mother: Mary Kettlestrings
FHL Film Number: 0828170 (RG4 3973)

So - Joseph's parents were William and Mary ???

Joseph Bean

in the 1851 England Census
Name: Joseph Bean
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Bean
Mother's name: Mary Bean
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Heworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 2355
Folio: 506
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bean 58
Mary Bean 63
James Bean 28
William Bean 26
Elizabeth Bean 24
Elizabeth Bean 21
Mary Bean 19
Joseph Bean 17
George Bean 15
Charles Bean 13

In which case, they did have a son John William - but a different one!

John Wm Bean

in the 1871 England Census

Name: John Wm Bean
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph Bean
Mother's name: Ann Bean
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Maurice
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 4749
Folio: 129
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bean 36
Ann Bean 34
Joseph H Bean 14
Frederick W Bean 12
Ellen Bean 9
Mary Ann Bean 7
Maria E Bean 4
John Wm Bean 2

Are these Joseph and Annie?

Joseph Bean

in the 1861 England Census

Name: Joseph Bean
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne Bean
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: York St Maurice
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 3550
Folio: 92
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bean 27
Anne Bean 24
Joseph H Bean 4
Frederick W Bean 2

With the names Jacobus & Joannes they sound Dutch (?)