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I have a Joanna Gilbert born 1821c in county Cork her father is James Gilbert

I think she married someone called Munro as she had a son in 1840c born England called Hector Munro,

She remarried a Richard Walker in Linlithgow Scotland in 1848 on the marriage certificate scotlandspeople it has her name as Joanna Gilbert or Munro
this with sons name and fathers name is how I've thought she married a Munro in Ireland or England

If some one can through any light on this it would help

Thank you

Marriages Mar 1840
MUNRO John Stoke Damerel 9 508
GILBERT Joannah Stoke Damerel 9 508

Births Dec 1845 (>99%)
Munro Hector Bruce Barnstaple 10 25

Joanna Gilbert Or Munro
mentioned in the record of Richard Walker and Joanna Gilbert Or Munro
Name Richard Walker
Spouse's Name Joanna Gilbert Or Munro
Event Date 10 Dec 1848
Event Place Linlithgow,West Lothian,Scotland
Father's Name Thomas Walker
Spouse's Father's Name James Gilbert

Thank you

But I think I've got something wrong with the name think it could be a 2/3 barrel name
I did see that marriage

Johanna Walker
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Johanna Walker
County Lancashire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Sub-District 4 Market Street
Parish Manchester
Ecclesiastical Parish Collegiate
Registration District Manchester
Age 40
Gender Female
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birthplace Ireland
Schedule Type Household

Sylann the marriage to Joanna "Gilbert or Munro" could because be she was born Gilbert and married Munro ... it would seem very likely to be the same person since the coincidence of names would seem rather extreme otherwise ... but not impossible, for that reason (birth and married surnames) or some other

the full 1861 household in Manchester is

Johanna Walker 40
Thomas Walker 20 son born Ireland
Sarah Hill 58 visitor born Ireland

so I'm not sure that is the right Johanna Walker, in fact I would think it isn't since she has a son aged 20 named Walker and born in Ireland


the 1840 marriage and 1845 birth seem to be consistent with your info - ?

is it Hector who is your relation, and if so what else do you know about him - where did he live, marry, die ... ?

well unfortunately the Hector born in Devon in 1945 is not a son of Joanna

this is the household in 1851, name corrected by an Ancestry user (in a later year Ancestry has it as 'Munes')


Name: Hector B Murrer
[Hector Bruce Munro]
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles A Murrer
Mother's name: Lucy E Murrer
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnstaple, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Bishops Tawton
County/Island: Devon
Registration district: Barnstaple
Charles A Murrer 64
Lucy E Murrer 43
Charlotte M Murrer 23
George L Murrer 20
Charles A Murrer 17
Kellesley H Murrer 13
Augusta G Murrer 9
Hector B Murrer 5
Mary Rowteley 21



so Sylann can you tell us what you actually know about someone, and what you are trying to find out?

do you *know* that Joanna Gilbert or Hector Munro is your ancestor?


these are the two Hector Munro/Monro births registered in England before 1845 ... not all births were registered

Births Sep 1839
Munro Hector William Strand 1 301
Births Mar 1842
Monro Hector Bethnal Gn 2 69

right ..............

1851 Scotland census

Name: Hector Munro
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relationship: Stepson
Mother: Joanna Walker
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil Parish: Linlithgow
County: West Lothian
Address: Lion Well Wynd
Occupation: Apprentice

Richard Walker 30 born Crawford Parish, lanarksh, journeyman shoemaker
Joanna Walker 30 born Leadhills, ireland
Hector Munro 10
Jean Walker 8
Agnes Walker 1
Mary Ann Sinclair 19 visitor


now we know what you know, finally

so you are looking for Joanna's ancestors it seems

and the marriage in Stoke Damerel still seems likely

1841 census ... unfortunately to see what it really says you have to pay at scotlandspeople


Name: Hector Menro
Age: 7weeks
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: England

Name: Johan Menro
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Dalkeith
County: Midlothian
Address: Wicket

Margt Imart 60
Elisabeth Imart 50
Margaret Reed 10
Hector Menro 61 born Midlothian, Scotland
Hector Menro Mclean 6
> Hector Menro 7weeks
> Johan Menro 20

no husband present for her ... she may have been visiting (what a voyage with an infant) or have left her husband and relocated to Scotland permanently

given that the marriage to Munro was in the Plymouth area the husband was very likely a seaman and that is his family in Scotland

one might imagine that he died and the widowed Joanna then married Walker

?????????????/


could this possibly be Hector in 1891???

1891 Census

Name: Hector Munro
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 3309
Folio: 96
Page Number: 57

Hector Munro 50
Jane Tomlinson 14


EDITED ................


NOT apparently Joanna's child

from http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries


County Somerset
Place Taunton
Church name St Mary
Register type PR
Baptism date 20 Oct 1840
Person forename Hector James Taunton
Person abode North St.
Father forename John
Father surname MUNRO
Father occupation Private in 25th. Regiment
Mother forename Emma
Notes Native of Edinburgh. Private in 25th. Regiment passing through Taunton.

I wondered the same ... couldn't find any confirmed sighting between 1851 and then (there is one in Scotland in 1861, nephew of a May Munro, but the other names don't fit)

figured Sylann might know the course of Hector's career since he is the person she may know about


unfortunately looking for records of Joanna Gilbert before her marriage will likely be a Herculean task

there are a couple of John Munro's born in Scotland down in the Plymouth area in both 1841 and 1851, living in Army Barracks


but that's guessing, based on the possible marriage.

If true, it may mean that she skipped out on him :-)

see edited note to my post of 8 Nov 2015 00:19

gotcha on the edit

it would be a little odd to skip out and go to his family :-)

but to go live with them while he was in the military if she had no family locally would make sense

remember she remarried in 1848

although this is odd

1891 Census

Name Age
Hector Munro 50 Newsagent
Jane Tomlinson 14 b.ca 1877, Kilburne, Ayrshire, Scotland, Stepdaughter


I can't find a Jane Tomlinson in 1881


??? this Hector's death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Hector Munro
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Oldham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 543
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 543

I know, or a Hector Munro/Monro+Tomlinson marriage in either country

still I suspect Sylann is not looking for the more recent details of Hector :-)

of course, if only we did know how she got back to and is related to Johanna Gilbert Munro Walker ...

that would help!!

I should add that I looked for Monro / Munro /Monroe / Munroe ................. just to cover all bases!

ditto :-) I have the name in my tree and it comes out as Mu / Mo randomly