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I'm sure this an impossible task..I don't know where to go with finding the parents of Harold James Bushell born Hackney 1923? On FreeBMD his mothers maiden name is Bushell (no help). I know from the family that he was a Barnardos child and there was a home in Hackney at the time. I can't find any marriage for Bushell in Hackney up to 1923. I have very little hope in finding his parents but was hoping that someone would know a way forward (or backwards) and find his parents.

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Marriages Mar 1944

BUSHELL Harold J Lacey Gipping 4a 2021

LACEY Vera F Bushell Gipping 4a 2021



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007


Name:Harold James Bushell

Birth Date:18 Aug 1923

Date of Registration:Dec 2004

Age at Death:81

Registration district:Brentwood

Inferred County:Essex

Register Number:B68B

District and Subdistrict:466/1B

Entry Number:71


living with Vera F Bushell in |Brentwood on the Electoral Register until 2004/5

Vera no longer there after 2008


Marriage certificate might provide more information.

possibly 3 children of the marriage -

1951, 1957 and 1959


http://www.freebmd.org.uk

i found his birth no fathers name

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Bushell Harold J Bushell Hackney 1b 810

you will have to send for his birth cert to get mothers full name

Thanks all, I have all info after his birth, it is his parents I can't find...
I don't have a good track record with the GRO...had more refunds than results but seems that the only option. Thanks

I would surmise that if his surname is Bushell, and the birth registration says mmn Bushell ..........

........... he is illegitimate, which fits with him being a Barnardo's boy.

That means you are unlikely to find a name for his father, and certainly not going to find a marriage


all you can do is buy his birth certificate to find his mother's full name. Then you might be able to find out whether she was single, divorced, married, widowed. Plus the address where he was born

and you might be able to trace her back with her full name.

ditto to what Sylvia said - the only way to know who someone's parents were, or mother was, is to get the birth certificate.

if someone knew who their father was and had a relationship, they might give the name when they married

or they might name a stepfather, which is also useful information

but in your case, if he was a Barnardo's child, even if he named an adoptive or foster father, it would not help you

he was born to unmarried parents and not given his father's surname, so there will be no father named on his birth registration ... but the birth certificate is the essential document for info about his mother

I believe Barnardo's would disclose records to the person themself but not after their death to a family member, unfortunately, but you could enquire, as there could be info in those documents

there's no reason at all you would not get a result from the GRO ... you would apply with only the information in the index, and as long as you don't specify any information that is not in the index (like saying the father was Bushell), you'll get the certificate in short order

My FIL was in a children's home from about 1906 . He was illegitimate although his 1901 birth cert doesn't show him as such cos his mum lied !!

He always thought it was Barnardos .

I got into family research after he had died so could only go on what I had at the time

Barnardos were willing to look for his records but his daughter had to request it as next of kin . They couldn't find him .

I did subsequently find it was a local home run by the Birmingham council and they did send me a brief in and out time scale for him which was all they found when looking .

So it's worth asking even if the person has since passed away

Barnardos now make a charge for a search , they didn't years ago when we made the enquiry

It's unlikely you will find out who his dad was, unless his baptism gives the info. Some priests asked the mum who was the father and recorded it on the baptism record

As others have said you need to buy his birth cert to see who his mum was ,you may then find her on the 1911 census and earlier to see who her family info

Thanks for all your replies, as I thought, it is a hard task to find his parents. I will get the birth cert to see any info on the mother.
Going off track a bit, I mentioned the trouble I had with the GRO before, I requested a birth cert of a friend I found on FreeBMD with all the relevant info I found on screen.
After inquiring why I had received a refund and not the copy of the birth cert, I got this reply..
The details you provided did not fully match any potential entries located during a three year search between 1968-1970. Please check the details again (below).
Well I did check the details and they are still there as of today.???
I had a conversation with Londonbelle about this at the time and neither of us could come up with a reason why I could not get a copy of the birth cert.
Has anyone else had problems like this?

if the person was born in the last 50 years no certificate will be issued without detailed identifying info - could that be it even though they gave a different reason?

it's always wise to check the image of the GRO index page to make sure nothing has been mistranscribed at your source, too

I guess I would have asked the GRO to check their index and see what the problem was ;)

Thanks for the info, I have never asked for a cert for a living person before. That makes sense as to why I have not received the birth cert... but why not say that GRO??? I could quite easily provide any info or indeed get my friend to apply for her own birth cert...

ah, I hadn't paid attention to the part where you said 1968-70 so that must have been it - and somebody at the GRO pulled up the wrong form letter? :-)

yes, for a birth less than 50 years ago they require details like exact date of birth, parents' names, etc, I believe. Personally I have always thought birth certs for living people should be issued only to the person themself (parent if a child) ... but yes, your friend could apply herself in that case anyway.

meanwhile do let us know if you get Harold's birth certificate and we can help

we don't know what relation you are to him ... but if he has living children or grandchildren, especially in the male line, DNA testing might turn up cousins in one or both parents' families and possibly even a lead on his father's surname.

Thanks JoonieCloonie for your reply, I agree with you about living person's having to apply themselves, I hadn't given it much thought up until now but I wouldn't want any Tom,Dick or Harry having a copy of my birth cert. So I will leave it to my friend if she wants to apply for her birth cert, unlikely though...have searched so many friends and family over the years and still waiting to find one who is as interested in their own family as I am, especially when in comes to spending money!!!
As for the search for Harold James Bushell (my neighbour's Grandfather) I will have to give that one up, if I mentioned DNA, she would really think I had lost the plot.
I love searching but it can be so frustrating sometimes.

I got Harold James Bushell's birth cert, born 18th Aug 1923, South Hackney, his mother Beatrice Elizabeth Bushell, no father named. Trying to find Beatrice now...Could someone please look her up on census 1901 1911 to find family? found a match born in 1891, Hackney with parents Edward Bushell and wife Sarah Ada Huxell? could someone please confirm who she was living with in 1901 and 1911?
As I am guessing again.

Not spotting anything on Ancestry - probably mis-transcribed - but there are these

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
Name: Beatrice Elizth Bushell
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1891
Admission Age: 11
Admission Date: 18 Jul 1902
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1900-1904

From the image
Siblings
Dorothy Ada b25 Jun 1893
Grace Adeline b 16 Dec 1895
Elsie Lillian b12 Sep 1897

Mother Sarah Ann Bushell – Hackney Union Infirmary
Father unknown
...............

Name: Beatrice Elizabeth Bushell
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1891
Discharge Date: 20 Sep 1902
Record Type: Discharge
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1900-1904

She and her siblings Discharged with their mother - no address

?????????????

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Beatrice Elizabeth Bushell
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1891
Discharge Date: 20 Sep 1902
Record Type: Discharge
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1900-1904

from image:-

Address:- Sidney Road Children's Homes
Discharged ............... along with siblings??
Discharged with Mother, no address

Other names and birth dates

Dorothy Amy Bushell 18-6-93
Grace Adelaine " 16-12-95
Elsie Lilian " 12-09-97

snap DET!!

???

1911 Census

Name: Beatrice Bushell
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St John-at-Hackney
Search Photos: Search for 'St John-at-Hackney' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 207 Glyn Road, Clapton Park
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 1093
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward C Bushell 42
Sarah A Bushell 45
Beatrice Bushell 19
Dorothy Bushell 17
Grace Bushell 15
Elsie Bushell 13
Cissiley Bushell 11
Leonard Bushell 9



Dorothy, Grace and Elsie match the siblings in the Workhouse

Ancestry managed to lose the census for a while!

1901 - similar to the 1911
Name: Beatrice Bushell
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Sister < Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Clapton, London, England
Civil Parish: Hackney
Search Photos: Search for 'Hackney' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Edward Bushell 35 - 1866, Homerton - House painter
Ada Bushell 36 - 1865 - Suffolk
Dorothy Bushell 7 - 1894 - Clapton
Grace Bushell 5 - 1896 - Clapton
Elsie Bushell 3 - 1898 - Clapton
Cicely Bushell 6/12 - 1899 - Clapton
Beatrice Bushell 10