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Many thanks for your assistance

I shall let you know how I get on

Possible details for Susanne sent.

Edit- I sent an address in Midhurst, West Sussex, although having had another look (her children are on facebook), I'm not certain it's the correct Susanne. If you are hoping to make contact, it might be easier to write to Colin or Trevor first.

Hope this helps.

Possible details for Trevor sent too.

Hi John,

I've sent you a message with the index for the births and also a possible address for Colin (living in Fleet) from the 2014 electoral register.

If I spot the others I'll let you know.

I should like to trace the children and if you can assist I shall be delighted

Are you wanting to trace the children?

There's a likely match in the current electoral registers for Colin.

If you need any further help please let us know.

Thank you AustinQ

Gwendoline's birth date is an exact match so you have found her date of death and further it is more than likely that she married again after Archie died
I wonder about the children

I also wonder about Gwendoline's maiden name

Clever of you to find Robert Archibald Baker
It seems likely that Archie used a different name for his marriage. as other facts fit
John

And- just to complete- possible children Colin, Trevor and Susanne, all born Aldershot after the 1939 register. All can be found by searching here with mother's maiden name Burgess:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

So, in summary:

Archie Baker, calling himself Robert, marriied Gwendoline Winifred Burgess in 1938. They had three children all born Aldershot.

Robert Archibald Baker died in 1964- he was living at West Over Road, Fleet.

Gwendoline then remarries in 1970 to Michael Larkin.

Gwendoline passed away in 1992 Chichester

It appears that the Robert Baker marriage was correct:

Marriage:
name(s) GWENDOLINE W BURGESS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1938
Spouse: ROBERT BAKER
District CROYDON
County Surrey
Volume 2A Page 991
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Robert Archibald's death:

Name: Robert A Baker
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Jun 1964
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Aldershot
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b Page: 20
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Robert Archibald Baker
Probate Date: 1 Jun 1964
Registry: Winchester, Chester, England
Death Date: 23 Apr 1964
Death Place: Hampshire, England

of 94 Westover road, Fleet

Administration to Gwendoline Winifred Baker
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And a possible for Gwendoline's birth:

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

name(s) GWENDOLINE W BURGESS
Birth year 1914
Birth quarter 2
Mother's last name CLEMENTS
District CROYDON
County Surrey
Volume 2A Page 488

Possibly a second marriage for Gwendoline:
Marriage:
Name: Gwendoline W Baker
Spouse: Michael Larkin
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Registration district: Aldershot
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b Page Number: 100
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And Gwendoline's death (note date of birth):

Name: Gwendoline Winifred Larkin
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1914
Date of Registration: Apr 1992
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Chichester
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 18 Page: 1470

Thank you for your contributions.
The position is confusing
Archie Baker was born in Horsham on 17 August 1893.
I have been unable to find a marriage between him and Gwendoline W, so I assume they lived together but described themselves as married.
In the 1939 register Archie changed his name and described himself as Archibald. That is not the name on his birth certificate.

I should like to find out when he died, thought by the family to be in the fifities.
I should like to trace his children and discover their names.
I should like ti discover when Gwendoline died.
The family used her shortened name of Gwen

John Barrie

What a shame John didn't hang around. :-(

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) GWENDOLINE W
Last name BURGESS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1938
Spouse: ROBERT BAKER
Spouse's last name BAKER
District CROYDON
County Surrey
Volume 2A Page 991

There are quite a few Gwendoline/ Baker marriages.
I think we need a little feed back on the names of the children John mentions.

Perhaps Gwendoline Baker is the wife of one of Archibald's sons.

Ah......back to the drawing board then!

Cyril also died in Surrey North Western.

Cyril Leslie Bakerin the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:Cyril Leslie Baker
Birth Date:5 Dec 1917
Date of Registration:Sep 1994
Age at Death:76
Registration district:Surrey North-western
Inferred County:Surrey
Register Number:RA40
District and Subdistrict:7581A
Entry Number:9

Think that's the wrong man then:

1939 register:

Baker Household Portsmouth C.B., Hampshire, England

Archibald H Baker 1893
Christabel R Baker 1889
and 2 more people are on this record (including Cyril L Baker 1914)

??

Christabel Kate Barron in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Christabel Kate Barron
Registration Year:1889
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:Whitchurch
Inferred County:Shropshire
Volume:6a
Page:751


Christabel Kate Baker in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:Christabel Kate Baker
Birth Date:4 Apr 1889
Date of Registration:Mar 1982
Age at Death:92
Registration district:Surrey North Western
Inferred County:Surrey
Volume:17
Page:0892

1939 register:

Baker Household Fleet U.D., Hampshire, England
Gwendoline (W) Baker 1914
Archibald Baker 1893

No children listed with them in 1939.

What were the children's names?

This seems a possible for his marriage although his wife is not a 'Gwendoline' ???

Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
Baker Archibald H A Barron Portsmouth 2b 1095
Barron Christobel K Baker Portsmouth 2b 1095


They did appear to have a son to fit the name on the probate record:

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Baker Cyril L Barron Portsmouth 2b 641


There are other possible births for them too.

Dea x