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Sarah A Haynes 1885 Salford,

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 Nov 2015 00:57

so does Alice Cosgrove become Alice Walker????

I can't find anything other than the birth registration for Alice Cosgrove

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 Nov 2015 00:45

people didn't always know the ages of their children!


but certainly baptism recors seem to fit.

This is John

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: John Walker
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1896
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1896
Parish: Pendleton, St Thomas
Parish as it Appears: Pendleton
Father's name: John Walker
Mother's name: Alice Walker
Reference Number: GB127.L186/1/2/7

from image:-

Address:- 15 Brin (???sp) St, Church St
Father occupation:- Embosser

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Andrew

Andrew Report 23 Nov 2015 00:05

A lot of the detail for John Walker and Sarah in 1911 census are wrong. They weren't married, Sarah is shown as 35 so she could be married for the 15 years and still be mother of all the children, which of course she is not. Probably done as a face save so she didn't have to admit to being divorced, which carried a social stigma at the time.

It would also seem the the ages of the children have been changed for some reason.


Andy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 22:05

In the 1901 Census, John and Alice Walker lived at 12 Brownhill St, and John was a Cloth Embosser





and this looks like the older Blanche in 1911 ........

Name: Blanche Walker
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Bombay Street Bury St Salford
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Machinist Waterproof Industry
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 24027

Mary Ann Hooley 62
John William Hooley 34
Mary Jane Hooley 23
Blanche Walker 16

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 21:56

So there is a Blanche Walker born in ca 1895 and another born in ca 1907?????


This is, I think the one shown on the 1901 Census


Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: Blanche Walker
Birth Date: 4 Aug 1894
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1894
Parish: Salford, St Stephen
Parish as it Appears: St Stephens Salford
Father's name: John Walker
Mother's name: Alice Walker
Item Number: 6
Archive Roll: 958

Address:- 14 Uxbridge St
Father occupation:- Finisher


I can't find the one shown on the 1911 Census????

Unless that is Alice Cosgrove?



edited to add information from image

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Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 21:25

I think this is John Walker in 1901


Name:John Walker
Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1871
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Alice Walker
Birth Place:Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Salford
Search Photos:
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Ecclesiastical parish:St Phillip
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Salford
Sub-registration district:Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel:04
Neighbors:
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Piece:3728
Folio:76
Page Number:8
Household schedule number:47
Household Members:
Name
Age


John Walker 30
Alice Walker 28
Blanche Walker 6
John Walker 4
Albert Walker 2

Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 21:21

Looks like certain details on the census have been changed to fit the cirumstances.

Andy

Mark

Mark Report 22 Nov 2015 21:19

Thank you just come back to this after watching atp tour. I was actually in London the last 2 days ....

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 21:19

they say on that 1911 Census that they have been married 15 years ?????????

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 21:17

but Sarah Ann Haynes was born 1884 or 1885

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Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 21:15

Also contains detail of child from first marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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COSGROVE Alice Salford 8d 69


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 21:13

From the detail in the divorce file, this is John and Sarah in 1911


Name:Sarah Walkes
Age in 1911:35
Estimated birth year:abt 1876
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Barton upon Irwell
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County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:74 Parrin Lane Monton Near Eccles Lancs
Marital Status:Married
Registration district:
Barton upon Irwell
Registration District Number:463
Sub-registration district:Barton
ED, institution, or vessel:28
Piece:23611
Household Members:
Name
Age


John Walkes 36
Sarah Walkes 35
John Walkes 14
Albert Walkes 12
Alice Walkes 8
Blanche Walkes 4

Andy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 21:08

possible birth ............. assuming birth would be registered in same area as marriage


Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Walker Edward Haynes Barton I. 8c 1171

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Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 21:00

Divorce record, so remarried legally!


Name:John William Cosgrove
Gender:Male
Spouse Name:Sarah Ann Cosgrove
Spouse Gender:Female
Petition Year:1910
Co-Respondent 1:John Walker
Type of Record:Husband's petition for divorce
Divorce Court File Number:942

Cause was her adultery with John walker, which she had admitted.

There is a copy of the marriage cert with the papers which confirms this is the correct Sarah Haynes.


Andy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 20:58

did they divorce .............. which would have been very expensive and unusual at that time

or are they both bigamists??

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 20:50

well, well, well!

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Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 20:49

Looks like she remarried as well

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Cosgrove Sarah A Barton I. 8c 1418a
Haynes Sarah A Barton I. 8c 1418a
Walker John Barton I. 8c 1418a

Andy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 20:48

John Cosgrove may have married again in 1913 ................

from freebmd ---

Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
Cosgrove John W Hope Manchester 8d 509
Hope Ethel Cosgrove Manchester 8d 509


the lancs bmd version .................

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1913

COSGROVE John W HOPE Ethel Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR_RM/177/154

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Nov 2015 20:30

Andy is quite correct .......

from lancs bmd

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=lancashire


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907

HAYNES Sarah A COSGROVE John W Salford Ascension Salford C29/6/65

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Andrew Report 22 Nov 2015 17:11

But Leonard Naylor Married Annie Kay?

So Sarah must have married John William Cosgrove?

Is this him with Sarahs brother John in 1911 claiming to be single?


John Haynes 30
Esther Maud Haynes 26
John Haynes 6
Annie Haynes 4
Elizabeth Haynes 2
Frank Haynes 1
John William Cosgrove 23


Andy

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