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Siblings of HENRY BATHURST HANNA, please

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Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 12 Dec 2015 22:49

HBH was born in April 1839 and married my ancestor on 25th May 1889 in Nainital, India. He died in 1914 in Petersfield, Hampshire. PLEASE don't waste your valuable time researching him; we really do know all about him!!! I don't want to be accused of repetition.

We know that he had at least one sister, JANE ELIZA HANNA. She is mentioned in another of my posts as the wife of the Reverend David Rutton Morris.

We have a lot of fascinating handwritten information about HBH and also the handwritten journal of his sister as the wife of the Vicar in Montego Bay, Jamaica.

But - and this is what I am searching for now - we have now come across a reference to a "Mr. Hanna" in 1889 in connection with my above relation HBH who was in fact a COLONEL in the Indian Army. So HBH seems to have had at least one brother without rank employed in the Raj years out in India.

I have tried to find siblings for HBH other than the known sister Jane but have got stuck. :-(

Can you help, please?

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 12 Dec 2015 22:54

Sorry, I should have added that we know that HBH had one brother Stewart but we can't trace him forward and wonder whether he didn't survive??

Can you see any others?

malyon

malyon Report 12 Dec 2015 23:04

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Attach to Family Tree
Henry B Hanna
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Henry B Hanna
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Steep, Hampshire, England
Residence Note Dunhill Cottage
Gender Male
Age 2
Age (Original) 2
Birth Year (Estimated) 1839
Birthplace Hampshire
Registration District Petersfield
Book Number 5
Parish Steep
County Hampshire
Page Number 8
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 396/7
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Frances Cathe Hanna F 25-29
Jane Eliza Hanna F 8
Stewart Geo Hanna M 7
Julian Hanna M 3 Hampshire
Henry B Hanna M 2 Hampshire
- Hanna M 2 months Hampshire
Harriet Wells F 35-39 Hampshire
Sarah Philps F 20-24 Hampshire
Sarah Knight M 12
Henry Bridle M 14 Hampshire

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Dec 2015 23:13

From 1851 census.

Don't know if this is your family. Has a Jane E and Stewart.


Name:Stewart W Hanna
Age:46
Estimated birth year:abt 1805
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Frances E Hanna
Gender:Male
Where born:Ireland
Civil Parish:St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district:Marylebone
Sub-registration district:Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel:17
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:79
Piece:1490
Folio:739
Page Number:20
Household Members:
Name
Age

Stewart W Hanna 46 born Ireland, Incumbent of St James Marylebone
Frances E Hanna 31 born Ireland
Jane E Hanna 18 Born Jamacia
Stewart G Hanna 17 born Jamacia
Minnie Hanna 5 Born London
Sarah J Edwin 23
Emma Edwin 19

Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Dec 2015 23:21

Other siblings?


Name:Stewart William Hanna
Gender:Male
Spouse: Frances Catherine Hanna
Child:Rhoda Catherine Georgiana Hanna




Name:Stewart William Hanna
Gender:Male
Spouse: Frances Catherine Hanna
Child: Edith Frances Margaret Hanna


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Dec 2015 23:23


Name:Rhoda Hanna
Age:10
Estimated birth year:abt 1841
Relation:Visitor
Gender:Female
Where born:Steep, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:East Stratton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district:Winchester
Sub-registration district:Mitcheldever
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:2
Piece:1673
Page Number:1
Household Members:
Name
Age


Charles R H Dallas 56 Curate born Jamacia
Julian M Dallas 57
Georgiana M S Dallas 20
Harriet C Thompson 72
Margaret S Percy 49
Henrietta G Whitchorn 23
>>>>> Rhoda Hanna 10
>>>>> Edith Hanna 9
Carolin Genge 25
Eliza Sammer 20
Harriet Summer 10

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 12 Dec 2015 23:26

Malyon, thank you and that is so revealing - but what is the actual record, please? Oh, drrrrrrr, I now see that it is the 1841 census. So there were certainly TWO elder brothers, Julian and Stewart, and one unnamed younger one.

Can anyone follow these three brothers of our chap forward, please? Can we get any of them to be the one mentioned out in India in 1889 written account??

Andrew, yes that is 'my' family.

Got to hit the hay now, till tomorrow.
:-)

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Dec 2015 23:26


Name:Julian Hanna
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:23 Jun 1851
Father's name:Stewart William Hann
Mother's name:Frances Catherine Hanna
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Dunstan in the West
Borough:City of London
Register Type:Parish Registers


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Dec 2015 23:30

This is Henry


Name:
Henry Bethina Hanna

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
23 Jun 1851

Father's name:
Stewart William Hanna

Mother's name:
Frances Catherine Hanna

Parish or Poor Law Union:
St Dunstan in the West

Borough:
City of London

Register Type:
Parish Registers


Andy

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Dec 2015 23:42

There is this death:-

First name(s) STEWART WILLIAM
Last name HANNA
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1851
District MARYLEBONE
County London
Volume 1
Page 156
Country England

and this burial:-

First name(s) Stewart William
Last name Hanna
Gender Male
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1851
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1851
Burial date 07 Jun 1851
Burial place Wonston, Hampshire, England
Place Wonston
County Hampshire
Country England

There is also this death:-

First name(s) Stewart
Last name Hanna
Birth year 1825
Death date 02 Jul 1893
Death year 1893
Age 68
Burial date 03 Jul 1893
Place Naini Tal Civil
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-232
Folio -
Page 168
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials

Kath. x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 00:26

Parents Stewart William Hanna and Frances O.


Jane Eliza Hanna
Baptism:- 1834 9 Jun — Age: 1 Saint George, Surry, Jamaica


Stewart George Hanna
Baptism 1834 9 Jun Saint George, Surry, Jamaica


Minnie Hanna
Birth Jan 1846 in Holborn, London


Did this Frances die after Minnie's birth because Stewart William appears to re-marry in 1851 ...................

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Stewart William Hanna
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Age: 45
Spouse: Frances Elizabeth Blagrave
Spouse Age: 31
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Mar 1851
Parish: Christ Church, St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William Hanna
Spouse Father: Charles George Blagrave
Register Type: Parish Register

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 00:35

Stewart William did bulk baptisms again in 1851 ..........


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Henry Bethina Hanna
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1851
Father's name: Stewart William Hanna
Mother's name: Frances Catherine Hanna
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Dunstan in the West
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-
Born April 22 1839


Name: Minna Hanna
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1851
Father's name: Stewart William Hanna
Mother's name: Frances Catherine Hanna
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Dunstan in the West
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born January 18 1848


Name: Julian Hanna
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1851
Father's name: Stewart William Hanna
Mother's name: Frances Catherine Hanna
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Dunstan in the West
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-
Born July 22 1837
Admitted into the Church having brought in Certificate of private baptism


This is the order in the Baptism register, and I do not know whether the further information on Julian's entry applies only to him or to all 3.


The other information on the image is the same for all of them .................

Address:- 81 Milton Street (i cannot determine the name of the district)

Fahter occupation:- Clergyman of the Church of England

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 00:57

?????

correct age and birth place for Julian Hanna (b. 22 July 1837, Hampshire)


UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927

Name: Julian Hanna
Estimated Age: 22
Birth Date: 1837
Birth Place: Petersfield, Hants
Issue Date: 14 Oct 1859
Issue Port: London
Certificate Number: 21132

image is of the actual certificate .............. fully qualified to fulfil the duties of Second Mate in Merchant Service


UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927

Name: Julian Hanna
Estimated Age: 24
Birth Date: 1837
Birth Place: Petersfield, Hants
Issue Date: 31 Aug 1861
Issue Port: London
Certificate Number: 21.132

Fully qualified to fulfil the duties of First Mate in the Merchant Service


UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927

Name: Julian Hanna
Estimated Age: 27
Birth Date: 1837
Birth Place: Petersfield, Hants
Issue Date: 2 Feb 1864
Issue Port: London
Certificate Number: 21132

Duly qualified to fulfil the duties of Master in the Merchant Service. Granted the Certificate of Competency 5 November 1863


UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927

Name: Julian Hanna
Estimated Age: 27
Birth Date: 1837
Birth Place: Petersfield, Hants
Issue Date: 4 Oct 1864
Issue Port: London
Certificate Number: 21132

Duly qualified to fulfil the duties of Master in the Merchant Service. Granted the Certificate of Competency



I'm no sure what the difference is between the last two. I just cannot see any difference in wording between them

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 01:10

??????????? could this be Julian?????

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Julian Hanna
Probate Date: 8 Oct 1915
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 13 Mar 1915
Death Place: France

from image:-

of 12 Place du Forail Pau (Basses Pyrenees) France died 13 March 1915. Administration (with will) [granted] London 8 October 1915 to Eleonore Henriette Marguerite Louise Augusta Hanna, widow.
Effects £317 2s 5d

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 01:26

all the above records that I have posted are from ancestry.

FindMyPast has some other records, including Merchant Navy Seamen Records, and the first record for Julian as a seaman seems to be 1853


plus the following


GRO Consular Marriages (1849-1965)

First name(s) JULIAN
Last name HANNA
Year range 1896-1900
Marriage place PAU
Country FRANCE
Record Source GRO Consular Marriages (1849-1965)
Volume 10
Page 546
Record set British nationals married overseas 1818-2005
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

Spouse:- Eleonore Henriette M L A Demonceaux

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 01:31

??????????

from ancestry

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Julian Hanna
Year: 1895
County or Borough: Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras South
Street address: 16 Tavistock place

If it is him, he is listed with a Thomas Henry Looker ....... but women would not have been listed in those days

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 01:48

?????????


from FMP


Hanna
Stewart G


1885
Queensland directories
Queensland, Australia


Hanna
Stewart George


1903
Queensland electoral rolls
Queensland, Australia


Hanna
Stewart George


1906
Queensland electoral rolls
Queensland, Australia


Hanna
Stewart George



Cyclopedia of New Zealand v2 Auckland
New Zealand


Unfortunately, the images for the above don't seem to show Stewart George Hanna ?????



??????

Hawaii, Honolulu Passenger Lists, 1900-1953 Transcription

First name(s) S G
Last name Hanna
Sex Male
Birthplace/nationality -
Arrival year 1915
Arrival city Honolulu
Arrival state Hawaii
Arrival country United States
NARA publication number A3422
NARA roll number 47
Record set Hawaii, Honolulu Passenger Lists, 1900-1953
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from United States & Canada

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 02:47

Here are Rhoda and Edith in 1891, although Rhoda is now younger than Edith ???


1891 Census

Name: Rhoda Hanne
[Rhoda Hanna]
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Petersfield, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Guildford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Piece: 560
Folio: 72
Page Number: 7

Eliza Gee 71
Jabel Halsey 17
Sarah Butler 19
Harry Couchman 35
Ethel Couchman 25
Edith Hanne 50 b.ca 1841, Petersfield, Hampshire, Boarder, Living on Her Own Means
Rhoda Hanne 48 Living on Her Own Means

Address:- Conway (???) House, Harvey Road



and Rhoda in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Rhoda E G Hanna
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Petersfield, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Search Photos: Search for 'Paddington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Kilburn
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 25a

Piece: 7
Folio: 64
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 255

Evelyn Meyler 28
Florence K Taylor 26
Iris Ofarrell 19
Jessie Millen 26
Caroline Hickinbottom 31
Lucy J Jay 20
Edith Dauckart 21
Mary Greenway 25
Mary I Bruce 60
Rhoda E G Hanna 58 Living on Her Own Means
Mary J Paris 44
Mary J Terry 52

Address:- 46 Randolph Gardens, Kilburn Rd



??? Edith

1901 Census

Name: Edith Hanna
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liss, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: West Tarring
Search Photos: Search for 'West Tarring' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Durrington and West Tarring
Town: Salvington
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: East Preston
Sub-registration district: Worthing
ED, institution, or vessel: 19

Piece: 957
Folio: 55
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 38

Harriett Newman 65
Edith Hanna 60 Living on her Own Means

Address:- 5 Glebe Road


???

Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
HANNA Rhoda 67 Wandsworth 1d 543

Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
HANNA Edith Frances M 68 Petersfield 2c 87

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 02:57

Rhoda in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Rhoda C G Hanna
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: 1843
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 339
Folio: 21
Page Number: 10

Helen H Tate 55
Wilfred Tate 24
Georgiana Tate 19 Scholar
Rhoda C G Hanna 18 Scholar
Matilda Hulbert 20

Address:- 16 Sutherland Square


tempting to suggest she and Georgiana are friends ??????

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 03:18

from fmp


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Rhoda
Last name Hanna
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1909
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1909
Burial date 25 Jan 1909
Burial place Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Place Wandsworth
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom


and Edith buried in the same cemetery ........


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Edith Frances Margaret
Last name Hanna
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1909
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1909
Burial date 23 Jun 1909
Burial place Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Place Wandsworth
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom