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Sarah

another little tip ...............

lies are told on birth, marriage and death certificates!!

They may be accidental, or deliberate, but something said on there cannot be taken as the absolute truth, because no proof had to be shown to the Minister to prove what was being said.

So, we might get one spouse or the other, or both, lying about their age, making themselves younger or older than they really are.

As far as naming the father, this one is full of pitfalls ............

an illegitimate child might "name" a father because it "looked better for the spouse's family", but they could have made up the name, given their grandfather's name (or other relative), the name of someone well-known in the town or village.

Or the mother might have passed herself off as widowed (or genuinely been a widow) and given a "name" for the "dead" husband. and the child believed that story.


The father might be declared deceased, or that word is not on the certificate so it is assumed that he is alive .................. it is quite often found that whatever is said is not true. The father left the home and the child has lost touch with him, so it is "assumed" that he is dead. Or quite simply, the Vicar did not ask the correct question ......... "and is your father still alive?".

Even the father's occupation might be "upgraded", so we find ourselves looking for "John Smith, Engineer", instead of "John Smith, Platelayer"




family history is full of pitfalls ............. and I think every one of us could tell a tale about their own family!

In my case .......... both my maternal grandparents added 2 years to their ages when they married. That made my grandmother 21 and grandfather 19 ........... which meant he was still counted as a Minor. They were also married with all family members there. So why???????? Who knows!



I'm not saying that any of the above apply in your case. nut you have to bear it in mind.

You can never ever say "I know definitely that his/her father is xxxxxxxx" because it might not be!

Yorkshire Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Johanna
Last name Darrell
Age 20
Birth year 1874
Marriage year 1894
Marriage date 26 Mar 1894
Marriage place Middlesbrough, St John
Residence 29 Rutland St
Father's first name(s) Mark
Father's last name Darrell (Deceased. Police Man)
Spouse's first name(s) Frederick William
Spouse's last name Axford
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's residence 29 Rutland St
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Axford
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Archive Teesside Archives
(wits. Harry Axford, Mary J. Stones)

Chris :)

Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Stones
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 19 Aug 1879
Baptism place Middlesbrough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Archive Teesside Archives
(Abode, 13 Hilda Place. John occ. Labourer)


(also as above, Mary Jane Stones, 1st May 1877, 13 Hilda Place, John, occ. Labourer)


Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Darrell
Baptism year 1867
Baptism date 15 Dec 1867
Baptism place Swinefleet
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Mark
Father's occupation Policeman
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Just going back to Sarah after she became 'Stones', here in 1891 she has her daughter Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
Darrell Joanna Storm Stockton 10a 67

but listed as married and name seems to be Dorset? but there's no likely marriage

Sarah Stones
in the 1891 England Census

Name: Sarah Stones
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Stones
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Middlesborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Middlesborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:


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Registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4007
Folio: 137
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stones 53
Sarah Stones 51
Joannah Dorret 18
James Stones 14
Sam Stones 13
Ellen M Stones 5

I have the marriage certificate for Lily Heslop when she married Alfred Laroche so I know Edward Heslop is her father. So I know that the census with Edward and Mary Heslop and their two daughters are definitely my ancestors.

Maybe it would help if you give us your 'true, exact' last term of reference to your ancestor(s)

So are you thinking that Mark may not be Mary's father? What about the fact that his name is on her marriage certificate? Thanks for that information. I'm still quite a novice and all tips are very helpful.

Sarah .............


just one thing that you might not be aware of ................


When registering a baby , if a woman was married, any baby she had was considered to be the child of her husband unless she specifically stated that he was not the father and gave the name of the father.

In fact, if you look at a birth certificate, the baby is not given a surname ............. if a father is named then the baby automatically takes his name. If no father is named, the baby takes the name of the mother.

There have been some slight changes in recent years, but the same basic assumption is still made.


Therefore a widow could have a baby years after her husband died, and unless she stated that specifically, the baby would be registered under her married name and the father would be assumed to be her husband.

I once found a registration for a child born 10 years after the husband had died.

That's a very interesting article, thanks for that. The article about Mark Darrell, also about Sarah's remarriage.

Remarriage for Sarah ( though I can't see a marriage?)


1881
Name: Geo H . Darrell
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Step Son
Mother: Sarah Stones
Gender: Male
Where born: Swinfleet, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: No 11 Durham St Hilda Place
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labr Iron Works
Registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4846
Folio: 121
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Jno. Stones 44
Sarah Stones 41
Jno Darrell 19
Geo H. Darrell 15
Thos. Darrell 13
Johana Darrell 7
Mary J. Stones 4
Saml. Stones 1

http://tinyurl.com/gwqoa9x

(above article relating to Death of Mark Darrell 1869)

(AUGUST 1869 Mark Darrell had been a police officer in StocktonuponTees and was hurt in the line of duty in an incident that had left him paralysed and)

Chris :)

Buying the birth cert for either Lily or Frances will give you mother's maiden name if you are unsure of it being Darrell but the marriage that Andy has posted is the only one that comes up on freebmd.

I'm hoping that Mary Darrell is the right person, you'll all kill me if I'm wrong there. I know that Edward Heslop is correct, his daughters are definitely Lily and Francis and his wife Mary. The only Mary who I can find who seems to fit with the marriage dates is Mary Darrell which is why I'm fairly sure that it's Mary Darrell who married Edward Heslop.

The Mary in 1871. was born as Frances Mary E Darrell and dies in 1885, so not right person.

Andy

This might be marriage for Henry and Ann. Children in 1871 seem a little young for someone married 17 years

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
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Darrell Henry York 9d 31
May Ann York 9d 31

Andy

Thanks everyone, I'm obviously wrong about her birth, then, that was the one that seemed to fit in with her date of birth. It's strange, though, that if Mark is her father he died before she was meant to be born unless she was conceived and born the year after his death. Would that work?

1871

Any connection with Mark? Brothers maybe?


Name:Mary Darrell
Age:3
Estimated birth year:abt 1868
Relation:Niece
Gender:Female
Where born:York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:St Peter the Little
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:York
Sub-registration district:Bootham
ED, institution, or vessel:20
Household schedule number:59
Piece:4745
Folio:81
Page Number:12
Household Members:
Name
Age


Tom Darrell 42 Born Stockton
Henry Darrell 38
Ann Darrell 38
Tom Darrell 5
Mary Darrell 3

Andy

Mark Darrell
in the UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912

Name: Mark Darrell
Gender: Male
Admission Date: 22 May 1869
Institution: W. York
Intitution Place: West Yorkshire, England
Death Date: 5 Sep 1869
Death Place: West Yorkshire, England

date of birth is a little out if it's him?

Name: Mark Darrell
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockton On The Forest
Hundred: Bulmer
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Dunnington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1242
Book: 8
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Darrell 40
Annah Darrell 40
Mark Darrell 13
Henry Darrell 8
Maria Darrell 5
George Darrell 2

1863
West Yorkshire, England, Police Records, 1833-1914 for Mark Darrell
Name: Mark Darrell
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1831
Birth Place: York, Yorkshire, England
Event Date: 14 Sep 1863
Event Place: West Riding, England
Reference: WYP1/A139/5
Force: West Riding Constabulary
Year Range or Title: 1861-1864 Examination Book E

Gives a detailed description of him( on Ancestry) he had been in the 5th Dragoon guards ( till 1857), which may be why I can't find him in 1851?

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
Darrell Mark Stockton 10a 139
Hughes Sarah Stockton 10a 139