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Susan James Birth1855 ??? Cannot find it.

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Feb 2016 18:30

Good finds, Austin!

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Feb 2016 08:36

I wonder if this is Susan with her family in 1861- also a sister Elizabeth which may be the person with Maria Allen in 1871??

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
45, Old Pye Street, St John the Evangelist, Westminster, London, England

Thomas James Head Married Male 45 1816 Grocer Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Caroline James Wife Married Female 28 1833 - London, Middlesex, England
Susanah James Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1854 Scholar Chelmsford, Essex,
Elizabeth James Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex,
Caroline James Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1861 - Westminster, Middlesex,
James Cartwright Lodger Unmarried Male 56 1805 Lab Liverpool, Lancashire,
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Same family 1871 (No Elizabeth or Susanah):

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Arthur Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London, England

Thomas James Head - Male 53 1818 - Wiltshire, England
Caroline James Wife - Female 34 1837 - Middlesex, England
Caroline James Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Middlesex, England
Thomas James Son - Male 8 1863 - Middlesex, England
Sarah James Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Surrey, England
James James Son - Male 1 1870 - Surrey, England
James Cartwright Boarder - Male 65 1806 - Lancashire, England

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 8 Feb 2016 19:41

Elizabeth James b.1856 got married in 1878 from Montpelier Street which is where Susan was living in 1881.

Susan James is one of the witnesses.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 8 Feb 2016 21:33

The 1881 states Susan James aged 4 is dau to the head. ,,who is Susan James,not Maria Allen.


Susan James Servant** Head** Married Female 25 1856 Domestic Serv Middlesex, England
Susan James Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Middlesex, England.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 9 Feb 2016 08:25

In 1851, Thomas James born 1817 Salisbury (grocer's assistant) is lodging in Sheffield. He is married,but has no wife with him.

Susannah James b.1854 and Elizabeth James b.1856 were baptised on the same day in 1860, in Westminster. The parents were given as Thomas and Caroline James. So it looks like Thomas left Maria Allen and moved in with Caroline, around 1860, who may have urged him to have his daughters baptised.

The children he had with Caroline - Caroline, Sarah and James - were all baptised shortly after they were born.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 9 Feb 2016 08:27

I wonder if it's worth looking at the Petty Sessions around the times that Susan James' children were born. Maybe she sued the father for maintenance.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2016 09:07

Looking good!

This is the marriage for Elizabeth, Susan's sister:

Name: Elizabeth James
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 22
Spouse: William Edward Smith
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Aug 1878
Parish: St Simon Zelotes, Chelsea
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Thomas James- Haberdasher
Spouse Father: Charles Smith
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Susan James & James Allnutt
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Thomas James Burial:

Name: Thomas James
Record Type: Burial
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Death Date: abt 1877
Burial Date: 1 Jan 1877
Burial Place: St Mary, Battersea, England
Abode: 34 Arthur Street
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
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Oh, and just to add on the original baptism for Susannah and Elizabeth it gives DOB:
Susannah born June 2nd 1854
Elizabeth born March 13th 1856