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I am trying to find if Margaret t ully (TILLY) had a second marriage to john Hamilton
her first was to john fraser but I cant trace them because I don't know when they
were born, first marriage 10 of Dec 1854in Glasgow I think cant find john fraser after 1860 wondered if my grandmother was adopted by john Hamilton .
All age groups from abt 1835-1845 Regards Ann :-( :-(

I take it you don't have a copy of this MC. You can find it on http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and would see ages and names of parents.

EDIT Sorry, no you probably wouldn't as it was before 1855 :-(



Margaret Tilley

in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910


Name: Margaret Tilley
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 10 Dec 1854
Marriage Place: Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: John Fraser
FHL Film Number: 0102929, 0102930, 1042943, 0102928, 1042991, 1042962

What is the John Hamilton connection please? What is your grandmother's name as well?

Right, it was annoying me so I've had a look. All it says is John Fraser was a shoemaker in Glasgow and Margaret Tilley resided there so no info at all. aaaghhh!!

Why couldn't they have waited a few weeks till civil registration came in??

Margaret tilley had taken up with john Hamilton somtime after my gran was born
1859 I don't know if she divorced or something happened to john fraser.but my grans name was changed to Hamilton ,I thought she maybe married again around
1860 Regardes Ann

I found this John Fraser that could fit but I'm struggling to find him in later records. He is not with his family in 1861.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, King Street, St Marys, Lanarkshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Fraser Head Married Male 50 1801 Shoemaker Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
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Margaret Fraser Wife Married Female 46 1805 - Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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>>John Fraser Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Shoemaker Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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Christina Fraser Son Unmarried Female 17 1834 House Serv Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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Alexander Fraser Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Shoemaker Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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William Fraser Son - Male 14 1837 Painter Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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Jane Fraser Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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Hugh Fraser Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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James Stewart Lodger Unmarried Male 26 1825 Shoemaker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Hendry Stewart Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1831 Shoemaker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Alexander Clark Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1831 Shoemaker -
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Donald McIntosh Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1829 Journeyman Baker Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland
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William Dorren Lodger Married Male 30 1821 Shoemaker Ireland


What was your gran's name and year of birth?

Margaret tilley had taken up with john Hamilton somtime after my gran was born
1859 I don't know if she divorced or something happened to john fraser.but my grans name was changed to Hamilton ,I thought she maybe married again around
1860 Regardes Ann thank you :-)

what was your grans name

Margarets children?


Ann Norra

Last name Fraser

Birth year1859

Birth place CLYDE,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND

Father's first name(s)John

Father's last nameFraser

Mother's first name(s)Margaret

Mother's last nameTully

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William Fraser
Mother: Margaret Tully
Father: John Fraser
DOB July 6th 1857,
CLYDE,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Ref: 6035516

yes you have found my Grandmother her name was Ann Norra I have a copy of her
birth cert Like you I could not find anything about john fraser I wonder why.
I have some information about William but even that dosent give me any info
Regards Ann :-(

Can't see Margaret and children in 1861 under either surname.

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1300737?d=asc&page=3

(seems to relate above, with info.)

Chris :)

Thanks everyone not found anything yet, still trying :-)

The 1851 for John Fraser put up by Alviegal would seem to be correct:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, King Street, St Marys, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Fraser Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Shoemaker Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland

This is the address (27 Kings Street) that William & Ann Norra were born at.

So you now have family details for her father.

John 1861? Married, but not with wife.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bell Street, Saint David, Central, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Margaret Fraser Head Widow Female 57 1804 Domestic Servant Invernessshire,
John Fraser Son Married Male 32 1829 Boot Maker Invernessshire, Scotland
Alexander Fraser Son Unmarried Male 29 1832 Shoe Maker Invernessshire, Scotland
Christina Brown Daughter Married Female 27 1834 Boot Binders Invernessshire, Scotland
William Fraser Son Unmarried Male 24 1837 House Painters Invernessshire, Scotland
Jane Fraser Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1841 Boot Binders Invernessshire, Scotland
Hugh Fraser Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 House Painters Invernessshire, Scotland
Bella Brown Grand Daughter - Female 6 1855 - Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Ann Brown Grand Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
William Brown Grand Son - Male 0 1861 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Ancestry transcription has Ann Brown 10 months, and William Brown 1 month

Is this your Ann Norra in 1871 please?

Hanora Fraser
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow St James
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 22 Little Dovehill
ED: 49
Household schedule number: 100
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_126
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Pratt 65
Agnes Pratt 22
Elizabeth Pratt 17
Michael Kennedy 3
Ann Tully 48
Bridget Tully 38
Hanora Fraser 11

Thank you AustinQ Ido know about 27King SY , I did try to find Info by address
but no luck. The Family Alviagal sent sounds like John Fraser as he married in
1854 although I don't know where again he is not with his family 1861 .I believe this is when Margaret Tully {tilley) took up with John Hamilton.Margaret changed
Ann Norra Frasers name to Ellen Hamilton. Regards Ann

Hello rootgatherer thank you for your Info but I don't think this is the person I am
looking for my granmother' birth's certificate says clyde districe. Regards Ann
:-)

I don't think I would dismiss that 1871 census unless you have found another 1871 entry for Ann Nora. Remember that the enumerator would record the name as he thought it sounded. Ann Nora could easily be mistaken for Hanora. Knowing where Little Dovehill is, I would have thought that the Civil Parish of St. James would be within the Clyde District. Of course it may just be co-incidence that there are Tullys in the same household as Hanora Fraser.

Do you know when Ann Nora Fraser became known as Ann Nora Hamilton please?

Is this your Margaret Tully in 1851 please? (If you have her death certificate it will name her parents if the informant knew the details)



1851 Census


Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: St Mary's Or Tron Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Mary's
Folio: 543 Page: 27 Schedule: 90
Address: 22 Bridgegate Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TULLY John Head M M 49 Chelsea Pensioner Ireland - -
TULLY Ann Wife M F 50 Ireland - -
TULLY Bridget Dau U F 24 Stay Maker Overseas - British - Gibraltar
TULLY Jane Dau U F 22 Cloth Cap Maker England - -
TULLY Margt Dau U F 18 Overseas - British - Gibraltar
TULLY Ellen Dau U F

I just wanted to add this from a previous thread summed up by MaureeninNY

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1289698

Births
Ann Norra Fraser June 1859 Father John Fraser Occ:Shoemaker Journeyman and Margaret nee Tully. Can't read the address. [Address reads 27 Kings Street]
John and Margaret Tilley's marriage (1855,ithink) is on the Old Family Search as well as Ann Norra's birth and that of a brother William (forgot the year).

Marriage
After Banns Dec 27th 1878 at Glasgow. Charles Boyd Shoemaker Journeyman age 21 and Ellen Hamilton Boot machinist age 19.
He of 136 Gallowgate? Glasgow son of William Boyd and May Ann nee Kian** ?
She of 8 St Mungo street Glasgow daughter of John Hamilton Boot Maker (journeyman dec'd and Margaret nee Tilley (dec'd). Witnesses Thomas Leckie? and Susan Boyd.

Death
Ann Norra Boyd widow of Charles Boyd died age 79 Aug. 31 1938 at 12 Pine Street Glasgow. Father John Fraser shoemaker (dec'd) and Margaret nee Tully (dec'd). Informant was Susan Boyd daughter.