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Disappointed received Martha's Wedding cert this morning and Father's name has a line through it , thus not naming her Father ... so don't know if Martha was Sister to our Alfred and Walter .

Where to go from now I'll have to put my thinking cap on !!!!


Beverley

You are so right Beverley - SO very wonderful to hold the original records of those very special moments in your hands.

Dea x

The only records that have survived from North Bierley are held at Keighley and they only had the boarding out of children Ledger no admit ions no record of Alfred in the book !!

Have sent for marriage cert of Martha will have it by the 17th Feb .. already sent for copies of Alfred's two marriages a few years back and of course Mum had the original cert of her Grandparents Walter and Annie so wonderful to hold the certificate that they held almost 110 years ago June 2nd 1906 :)

Just to add to Chris Ho's post- when you went to Keighley Library, were there any records on Alfred? Also were there (or did you search for) records of Alfred and Walter's entry to the workhouse?

Perhaps you need to contact the West Yorkshire Archives to see if they hold the relevant records:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/b16ab396-4349-4b09-a5e8-6d742b992d36

I found Ireton Street , Horton , off Legrams Lane Which would fit .. on the birth cert Hannah marked her name by a X obviously couldn't read or write so the Registrar just wrote as she said it !!

(was anymore found from address on below?, is that Ayrton Street)

Chris :)

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25th March 1874. WALTER BOY Father : Alfred Vallance Mother : Hannah Vallance , Late Hill , Formally ... Address 13 Airton Street , Horton , Bradford Yorkshire.

The George Vallance that married Hannah Gratton died in 1868- the 1861 for that family is posted at 16:05. Don't think this is the correct family.

It's possible that Hannah Maria Hill/ Goff/ Vallance just lived with/ had children with a Mr Goff after her husband, Mr Vallance had died/ left. If she wasn't married to Goff, the children would've been still registered as Vallance- so perhaps adding Goff to her names was just her way of acknowledging the father. Lets face it- many people got away with putting 'not quite the truth' on birth and marriage certs.

Don't think this has been posted before - apologies if so:

[EDIT: - Oops, yes it has - by Gins on page 1.]

Hannah Mauabalons (Hannah Maria Valons on image)
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Hannah Mauabalons
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Where born: Holmesfield, Derbyshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Crich
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Ripley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 3587
Folio: 38
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Mauabalons 25 - widow
Mary Elizabeth Valons 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Martha Valons 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Mills 27 - lodger
Alice Mills 21 - lodger's wife
Alfred Williams 18 - lodger

Hannah Maria's birth?? (Based on Mary's post on page 1, saying born Holmesfield.)

Births Dec 1846 (>99%)
Hill Hannah Maria Chesterfield 19 478


On page 1, Beverley said Walter's mother was stated to be Hannah Vallance, late Hill, formerly Goff .
That means she must have married a Goff before Mr Vallance, but I don't see a Hill / Goff marriage.

Also, why would she be buried as Goff, if that was neither her maiden nor her current married name? Is that a different Hannah?

(tricky with Derbys., as there is also below!)

Chris :)

County Derbyshire
Place Wirksworth
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 8 Dec 1851
Groom forename George
Groom surname VALLENCE
Groom age Minor
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom parish Wirksworth
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Hannah
Bride surname GRATTON
Bride age Of full age
Bride condition Spinster
Bride parish Wirksworth
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname VALLENCE
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname GRATTON
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename George
Witness1 surname COOKE
Witness2 forename Rebecca
Witness2 surname LEAM


County Derbyshire
Place Crich
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 24 Dec 1860
Groom forename George
Groom surname VALLENCE
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom parish Fritchley
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Martha
Bride surname HALL
Bride condition Spinster
Bride parish Fritchley
Groom father forename George
Groom father surname VALLENCE
Groom father occupation Boatman
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname HALL
Bride father occupation Framework Knitter
Witness1 forename George
Witness1 surname SWIFT
Witness2 forename Mary
Witness2 surname HALL

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

This looks to be another child Hanna Maria and George born in 1869:

First name(s) JOHN WILLIAM
Last name VALLANCE
Birth year 1869
Birth quarter 4
District BELPER
County Derbyshire
Volume 7B Page 439
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Baptism
Name: John William Vallance
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1870
Baptism Place: Crich,Derby,England
Death Date: 19 Jan 1870
Father: George Vallance
Mother: Hannah Maria
FHL Film Number: 498054, 498055
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Burial:
First name(s) John William
Last name Vallance
Event year 1870
Burial year 1870
Burial date 19 Jan 1870
Burial place Crich, Derbyshire, England

Possibly another child of Hannah Maria ???

Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
VALLANCE Hannah Belper 7b 436

Deaths Jun 1870
Vallance Hannah 0 Belper

Just for interest - Miss Jessop of Butterley Hall in 1881, with a companion and lots of servants.
Whichever Vallance boy it was she took under her wing in 1876 couldn't have stayed long - Alfred & Walter were in the workhouse, and there's no sign of another Vallance boy here:

Sarah M. Jessop
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah M. Jessop
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripley, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ripley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: Butterley Hall
Registration district: Belper
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3414
Folio: 85
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah M. Jessop 24
Jessie B. Adams 31 - companion
Elizabeth Morris 21
Sarah Cooke 29
Harriet Barker 19
Catherine Slater 19
Kate Ferguson 18
Jesse Bennett 17
Walter Wolstenholm 19

I'd be tempted to get that death certificate for Hannah Goff, but not sure about that death for George in 1868- think that death belongs to this George:

Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal - Friday 18 September 1868
VALLANCE: On the 6th inst at Warmbrook, Wirksworth, Mr George Vallance aged 36.

1861
Name: George Vallons
[George Vallance]
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Vallons
Gender: Male
Where born: Wirksworth, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Wirksworth
Town: Wirksworth
County/Island: Derbyshire
Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Wirksworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2517 Folio: 23 Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
George Vallons 29
Hannah Vallons 30
Joseph Vallons 7
Anne Vallons 6
George Vallons 3
Hannah Vallons 9/12

This looks like a connection to the Martha Valance 1868 in Belper.

Hannah Maria Hill married George Valance O/N/D 1867 Sheffield V9c P509.

??George Valance 1832 died Belper 1868
Martha baptised by George and Hannah 12/7/1868.

1871 Crich Derby D8 >22
Hannah Maria Valons widow a charwoman born @ 1846 Holmesfield Derbyshire
Mary Elizabeth 4 Born Bradway Derbyshire born Hill 29/5/1866 baptised same day as Martha 12/7/1868 mum Hannah Maria Hill.
Martha 2 Crich Derbyshire.

Hannah Maria Goff 1848-1877
Buried 13/8/1877 she lived at Pasture Lane Clayton.

Is this the mother of Martha ,Alfred and Walter?

Maryb.

It's so frustrating!!
Please let us know what Martha's marriage certificate says- this mystery has me gripped.

Putting this up just in case it's related- grasping at straws!:

Sheffield Independent - Monday 05 June 1876

Belper Board of Guardians
A letter was read from Miss Jessop of Butterley Hall, Ripley, asking the guardians to allow her to adopt a boy named Vallance. She stated that the boy would be sent to Captain Fielden's home for children in Derbyand remain there under his supervision, until he could find a suitable person to adopt the boy in question. A long discussion took place, several guardians expressing an opinion that the children in the Belper Workhouse had great care taken of them, and that Vallance should be retained in the workhouse until he was fit to be apprenticed. On the vote being taken it was carried by a large majority that Miss Jessop be allowed to take the boy under her care.
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AustinQ

I had linked these to Walter as same parents on the birth cert I presumed was my Walter , but the DOB is different to the one he states on the 1939 census but if this isn't the same person what happened to him !!

Baptism
Name: Susan Annie Vallance
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1876
Parish: Horton, All Saints
Baptism Date: 31 Aug 1876
Father: Alfred Vallance (excavator)
Mother: Hannah Vallance
Abode: 22 John William Street

Death
Name: Susan Annie Vallance
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Bradford
Volume: 9b Page: 34
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Burial:
Name: John Thomas Vallance
Death Age: 2 years
Birth Year: abt 1877
Burial Date: 24 Apr 1879
Parish: Clayton, St John, Yorkshire, England
Clayton workhouse

for Ref:

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
ARTHUR William Bradford 9b 211
VALLANCE Martha Bradford 9b 211

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
97 Westbourne Road Bradford, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

William Arthur Head Married Male Furniture Removers Packer 46 1865 Tenbury Worcestershire
Martha Arthur Wife Married Female - 43 1868 Clayton Bradford
Lily Arthur Daughter Single Female Fancy Ironer 17 1894 Bradford Yorks
Albert Arthur Son Single Male Errand Ironer 15 1896 Bradford Yorks
Alfred Arthur Son - Male - 7 1904 Bradford Yorks
Daisy Arthur Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Bradford Yorks
Percy Arthur Son - Male - 4 1907 Bradford Yorks

ArgllGran

Yes you are correct on the censuses you have found , Martha was rather " fond" of William Arthur after his wife Annie died in 1901 Martha married him in 1903 they are on the 1911 census as married and three more children this is where she states born in Clayton .

I have sent for Martha and Williams marriage cert so waiting to see who she says is her father .