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I think you are right Beryl - I am still working on it.

There seem to be 2 Harriet's born around the same time and place, both with Father George - a cab driver, and possibly mother Elizabeth also.

As I said above, it does need more work .

Will get back to it later today and I have a totally free day tomorrow so hopefully, with everyone else's help, we will get it sorted.

Dea x

Dea the ones with the address sun street I do not think they are the same Malyon family ?

I think there must be a mistake somewhere with Harriet/Marie of 2 Sun Row.
On school admission records for Harriet it says she was born April 1900 and Marie 24/4/1900,they don't seem to be twins.The only birth record I can see is one for Harriet and none for a Marie are they one in the same person.

On baptism for Harriett Frances daughter of George and Elizabeth her birth date is 12/4/1900 so therefore id doesn't seem to be the same Harriet as the one from 2,Sun Row with dad George also.

I'm puzzled by this one,or have I missed something.

Maryb.

Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Malyon Margaret Louisa 0 Islington 1b 268


Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Malyon Emelena 0 Holborn 1b 441 (on DO as Emeline)


Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Malyon Marie 10 Hampstead 1a 411


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(on above)

Chris :)


(below also from London Baptisms, Ancestry, apologies if posted already!)

Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
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Malyon Rose Holborn 1b 738


Rose Ina Malyan
22 Aug 1886 Clerkenwell St Paul Islington George Malyan (Driver)
Elizabeth Malyan


Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
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MacDonald John Islington 1b 321
Malyon Rose Islington 1b 321

(possible above, looking at 1911 (28 Wall Street Islington) not seeing on London Marriages, Ancestry)

edits

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Collins Thomas Islington 1b 341
Malyon Elizabeth Islington 1b 341

(from image on Ancestry, occ. of George, Flower Seller, he was a witness, her
abode at time, 6, White Lion Buildings)


1915 Death (from D Online)

Burial Register summary
Malyon George
Burial date 1915 April
Authority London Borough of Islington
Location Islington Cemetery (Islington)

Thank you Joonie.

I had put the extra info on each of them above that list to show details of addresses, occupations of George etc., and to show which I had discounted and those children who I had found had died so wouldn't be worth looking for on 1901.

This was useful to link them together with that 1901 census, though I don't see where the address of '2 Sun St.' fits in, which I think is on Harriet's and Marie's ?

Perhaps you can help with that please?

Just off to pick up the grandchildren but will be back 'on the case' early evening.

Dea x

for info this is how Ancestry has the family in 1901

George Malqon 39
Leirless Malqon 36
Geo Malqon 18
Tom Malqon 6
Alf Malqon 10
Rose Malqon 14


Dea I am just going to make that list of baptisms comprehensible

Elizabeth Margaret Malyon 28 Oct 1881
Clerkenwell St Paul Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

Thomas Malyon 12 Feb 1893
Pentonville St Silas Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

Edward William Malyon 8 Nov 1894
Clerkenwell St Paul Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

Margaret Louisa Malyon 13 Nov 1898
St Paul, Clerkenwell Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

Harriet Frances Malyon 27 May 1900
St Paul, Clerkenwell Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

Emmeline Malyon 16 Mar 1902
Clerkenwell St Paul Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

Albert John Malyon 8 May 1904
All Saints Mission Chapel Islington
George Malyon, Elizabeth Malyon

George William Mallyon 2 Mar 1902
Hampstead St Stephen the Martyr Camden
George William Mallyon, Elizabeth Mallyon

OOOhhh _ I have just spent ALL morning on this but having come back to the thread I see that Chris has posted the 1901 census I have arrived at early this morning before I even startind looking !!

Anyway - that IS the correct one!

I was trying to see if there were any more children born between 1891 and 1901 so we might locate them so looked at baptisms :

Some of them I discounted but then had the following info:


Name: Thomas Malyon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1893
Father's name: George Malyon - Coachman
Mother's name: Elizabeth Malyon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
2, Hale St., Central St
Born Jan 8th '92



Name: Margaret Louisa Malyon ?????????????
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1898
Father's name: George Malyon............... Flower Dealer ???? To check. further !?
Mother's name: Elizabeth Malyon
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Paul, Clerkenwell
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
2, Elliot's Place, Essex Rd.....
born 1st Nov. '98


Name: Harriet Frances Malyon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 May 1900
Father's name: George Malyon - Cabman
Mother's name: Elizabeth Malyon
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Paul, Clerkenwell
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
6, White Lion Bldgs, Islington

Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
Malyon Harriet Holborn 1b 679



Name: Emmeline Malyon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1902
Father's name: George Malyon - Cab Driver
Mother's name: Elizabeth Malyon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St Paul
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
27 Central St....
(?????Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%)
Malyon Emelena 0 Holborn 1b 441 )


Name: Albert John Malyon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 May 1904
Father's name: George Malyon - Carter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Malyon
Parish or Poor Law Union: All Saints Mission Chapel
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
born April 23 1904
6 White Lion Buildings
()Deaths Sep 1904 (>99%)
Malyon Albert John 0 Holborn 1b 423 )


NOT THIS ONE ??
Name: George William Mallyon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1902
Father's name: George William Mallyon - Labourer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Mallyon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St Stephen the Martyr
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
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51 Cochrane St.




View Record Elizabeth Margaret Malyon 28 Oct 1881 Clerkenwell St Paul Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record Thomas Malyon 12 Feb 1893 Pentonville St Silas Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record Edward William Malyon 8 Nov 1894 Clerkenwell St Paul Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record Margaret Louisa Malyon 13 Nov 1898 St Paul, Clerkenwell Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record Harriet Frances Malyon 27 May 1900 St Paul, Clerkenwell Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record Emmeline Malyon 16 Mar 1902 Clerkenwell St Paul Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record Albert John Malyon 8 May 1904 All Saints Mission Chapel Islington George Malyon,
Elizabeth Malyon
View Record George William Mallyon 2 Mar 1902 Hampstead St Stephen the Martyr Camden George William Mallyon,
Elizabeth Mallyon


I then went on to look through school admissions and found the following:
Harriet Malyon
Age: 5
Birth Date: Apr 1900
School: Popham Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 1 May 1905
Parent: George
Notes: Previously ANGLERS' GARDENS SCHOOL (see separate list) which opened 1875, renamed Popham Road School in 1895 (0262). Renamed Charles Lamb Primary School in 1949
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/POP/AD/005
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address - 2 Sun Row - father George
(NB - When she was baptised her address was 6 White Lion Buildings) **



Name: Thomas Malyon
Age: 8
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1892
School: White Lion Street School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 12 Feb 1900
Parent: George Malyon
Notes: Previously known as PENTON GROVE SCHOOL (see separate list) which opened 1875. Renamed White Lion Street School in 1899
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/WHI/AD/003
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Address - 6 White Lion Buildings **
Previous School - Duncan Terrace ?
Father George


Name: Edward Malyon
Age: 5
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1894
School: Penton Grove School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 12 Feb 1900
Parent: George
Notes: Penton Grove School opened 1875, renamed WHITE LION STREET SCHOOL (see separate list) in 1899 (0264)
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/PEN/AD/001
Address - 6 White Lion Buildings. **
Father George



Name: Marie Malyon
Age: 5
Birth Date: 24 Apr 1900
School: Popham Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 4 Sep 1905
Parent: George
Notes: Previously ANGLERS' GARDENS SCHOOL (see separate list) which opened 1875, renamed Popham Road School in 1895 (0262). Renamed Charles Lamb Primary School in 1949
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/POP/AD/005
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Address 2 Sun Row
Father George

So many of them had connections to the address of 6 White Lion Buildings which I had difficulty finding but eventually came up with the 1901 which Chris has posted above !!!

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
White Lion Buildings, 6, White Lion Street, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Malyon Head Married Male 39 1862 Costermonger Holloway, Middlesex, England
Leisless Malyon Wife Married Female 36 1865 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Geo Malyon Son Single Male 18 1883 Paper Stainer St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Tom Malyon Son Single Male 6 1895 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Alf Malyon Son Single Male 10 1891 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Rose Malyon Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England


Although the occupations and dates on the census, and the wife's name do not match, it is definitely the same family.

Elizabeth had died before the 1911 but George should still be on there:

Name: George Malyon
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: London City
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 15


Elizabeth Malyon
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Islington
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 198

Must go out now but will catch up later,

Dea Xxx

(wondered about below?)

1901 (Find My Past)
George Malyon Head Married Male 39 1862 Costermonger (Hawker written on) Holloway, Middlesex, England
Leisless Malyon Wife Married Female 36 1865 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Geo Malyon Son Single Male 18 1883 Paper Stainer St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Tom Malyon Son Single Male 6 1895 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Alf Malyon Son Single Male 10 1891 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Rose Malyon Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Street White Lion Street
Parish Clerkenwell
County London
Municipal ward No 1 Pentonville
Registration district Holborn
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 251
Folio 7
Page 5


Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
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MALYON Elizabeth 46 Islington 1b 198

(possible, Burial on below relating)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


edits

(Catherine/Kate not above 1901, but possibly below 1911)

1911 (Find My Past)
Frank Gill Head Married Male Wholesale Shop Assistant 23 1888 London Islington
Kate Gill Wife Married Female - 22 1889 London Islington
Jessie Gill Daughter Single Female - 2 1909 London Islington
Frank Gill Son Single Male - 0 (6 months on image) 1911 London Islington
Address 237 New North Road Islington
Parish Islington
Census reference RG14 PN952 RG78 PN32 RD10 SD6 ED50 SN15


Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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GILL Francis S Islington 1b 263

(the 1908 Gill/Malyon Marriage image from Ancestry, London, gives Father George occ. General Dealer)


Deaths Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Gill Catherine 33 Holborn 1b 975

(looking at London Electoral Registers, Ancestry, above looks to relate)


(just to add, Ancestry has the 1901 as Malqon!)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30797/supplement/8322

(above was the M.M. Reference from Medal Card)

Chris :)

(below also him, All Medals Forfeited crossed through, Medals Restored added)


WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

Thomas Malyon
Private Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment) GS/134591 British War Medal and Victory Medal


Thomas Malyon
Private Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment) R/4/066334 1914-15 Star

EDIT the below is ruled out, with parents Thomas and Susan in Kent in 1891, but leaving him here to show ruled out

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I do wonder about this Tom in the 1911 census

Name: Tom Malyon
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
> Birth Place: Kent
Civil Parish: Cowley
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Junction Road Cowley Oxon
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Painter Compositor [of course it says: Printer (Compositor)]
Registration district: Headington

no Tom/Thomas Malyon birth was registered in Kent anytime near that except for a William Thomas Malyon in 1894


have you told us whether you know what his occupation was at any time in his life?

George and Elizabeth were living together in 1881

Name: George Malyon
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Malyon
Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Cabman

Name: Elizabeth Malyon
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: George Malyon
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Marital Status: Married

Civil Parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Street address: 52 Lever St
Registration district: Holborn
George Malyon 21
Elizabeth Malyon 19


if the 1891 that malyon posted is the correct family, their eldest child Elizabeth was 9 years old in that census

Births Dec 1881
MALYON Elizabeth Holborn 1b 771

presumably they married when Elizabeth Johnson was of age

Marriages Dec 1883
JOHNSON Elizabeth Holborn 1b 1091
MALYON George Holborn 1b 1091


but instead of telling us

sons George ..Alf....Tom [Samuel Thomas that is?] ..daughters Elizabeth..Kate...Rose

could you give us the approx years of birth at least?


I have looked and looked in 1901 and not found them, unless George ran off to Yorkshire to be a fisherman and live with a Maria he was not married to, with sons George c1892 and Albert c1890 ...

the censuses can give valuable information about birth info


presumably

Births Mar 1884
Malyon George Holborn 1b 797
(married in Islington 1904?)

Births Sep 1886
Malyon Rose Holborn 1b 738
(married in Islington in 1904?)

Births Mar 1889 >> 'Kate' real name
Malyon Catherine Holborn 1b 720
(married in Islington in 1908?)

Births Dec 1891 ??
Malyon Alfred William R Edmonton 3a 327


(Chris Ho the death record for Samuel Thomas is the second reply in this thread, although admittedly trying to follow it over the length of two monitors can be a trial!)

Good morning Dea, the number around the medal is 69223 so you must have the right one...I have one medal and my cousin has the rest do you know how many medals there were? I am very confused as to his birth date I have been getting 1891 1892 1893 without his birth certificate who knows lol .....I must say thankyou for finding this info for me.....I can remember my mother saying that he went to prison and had the cat and nine tails think this was some sort of whipping ?

Looking at that medal card again it look as though the medals may have been restored to him around 9th December, 1924 ? - I find these quite hard to decipher but this looks like the case?

Perhaps this is when he came out of prison?

Dea x

Burial Register summary
Malyon Samuel Thomas
Burial date 20 March 1957
Authority London Borough of Camden
Location St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


Deaths Mar 1957 (>99%)
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MALYON Samuel T 66 Finsbury 5c 463

(above, if relating anywhere!)

Chris :)

Re the medals Beryl.................

The address on that medal card mentioning the medals is the same as the one on an earlier post by Sylvia which you then confirmed was him ??

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Sylvia Report 19 Mar 2016 15:16

1939

Malyon Household (6 People)
?33 Sidmouth Street , St Pancras, London, England .....
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It says that the medals were forfeited on the mentioned date which meant that he no longer had a right to them - I suppose it could be that although he no longer had a right to them they were not actually returned ??

Just to check - What is the Regimental number and detail on the medals you have - it should be marked around the outer side of the rim?

Dea x

Hello Dea, the Thomas Malyon that you are showing cannot be the same one that Is my grandfather as your one was born 1890 my grandfather was born 1892? And his full name is Samuel Thomas Malyon but everyone called him Tom and I do have his medals ? The only thing I cannot find is his birth?

Dea the only thing I cannot find is his birth ?

Dea are you sure this is the same person my grandfather as I have his medals ?

This medal card shows that his medals were forfeited 28/4/22

He was discharged from the army under para 392 (xii) which means that he had been sentenced to Penal Servitude.


British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
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Name Thomas Malyon
Regiment or Corps Royal Fusiliers, Army Service Corps, 3 Royal Fusiliers, 3 Royal Fusiliers
Regimental Number GS/69223, R/4/066334, 6455134, GS/134591


This would be connected I think with his conviction in 1922 to 3 years Penal servitude for Receiving and Larceny, having also commited various other offences in the past.

Several mentions in the Police Gazette:

Thomas Malyon

in the UK, Police Gazettes, 1812-1902, 1921-1927
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Name: Thomas Malyon
[George Malyon]
[Thomas Wilson]
Event Type: Re-Convictions
Event Date: 23 Mar 1922
Publication Date: 10 Apr 1922
Role in Crime: Perpetrator



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Name: Thomas Malyon
[Thomas Brown]
Age: 28
Birth Year: 1893
Event Type: Wanted
Event Date: 1921
Event Place: Bristol
Publication Date: 29 Jul 1921
Role in Crime: Perpetrator


As you can see from the names above, he used many alias's so maybe that is why he is so very hard to follow...............

Dea x


PS to Gwyn - that baptism does say that he was born January 8th, 1892 !

Dea x

Could anyone check the date of birth please for Thomas whose baptism I posted earlier.?

I think it might say Jany. 8/ 92

....not an exact match, but very similar to 1939 record

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1558/31280_197700-00143/4340790?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults