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26 Apr 2016 21:12 |
Is this your Gran in 1939 please?
Maud A Francis on the 1939 Register
1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Francis Household (2 People) 359 Lodge Avenue , Barking M.B., Essex, England Frederick Francis DOB 11 Jun 1893 SEX Male OCCUPATION Weight Watchman MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 83 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1
Maud A Francis DOB 09 Aug 1895 SEX Female OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Dut MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 83 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
There is also one closed record with them.
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26 Apr 2016 21:02 |
Maud's birth certificate would confirm her mother's maiden surname.
Maud Annie Burr Registration Year: 1895 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 189
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26 Apr 2016 21:00 |
This looks like Maud's marriage and her father is Thomas John Burr (one of the witnesses). I feel pretty sure that we have the correct marriage for Thomas and Annie.
Maud Annie Burr Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Age: 24 Spouse: Frederick Francis Spouse Age: 27 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 1 Nov 1919 Parish: Christ Church, Greenwich, East Borough: Greenwich Father Name: Thomas John Burr Spouse Father: William Francis Register Type: Parish Register
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26 Apr 2016 20:54 |
Lesley, if you don't have the marriage, can I ask please how you know that Thomas's father was William?
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26 Apr 2016 20:17 |
Hello everybody. Thanks for getting back so quick. Thomas 's father was William b.1840 -1890. So I'm not sure if it is Annie Beatrice Guyatt. I know the 1911 census is correct and also the 1901 census. It would make sense geographically and age wise if it was Annie Beatrice especially as it is Annie B. I wil revisit my records and see what they throw up. The army record was interesting Maddie. Thank you. When Thomas puts down next of kin is it just "Father and address Johnsfield, High Street, Hemel Hempstead?"Just a thought. I'm brain storming myself. If I have Thomas ' s father wrong I will have to rewrite my tree. Perhaps he is John Thomas Burr? I will have to look for a birth record. Thank you all. Regards Lesley :-)
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26 Apr 2016 19:18 |
Love the "Army accouterments maker" bit Chris :-)
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26 Apr 2016 18:34 |
Annie seems to have been a little vague with her age...
1861 Census Name: Anna B Guyatt Age: 10/12 Estimated birth year: 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert F Guyatt Mother's name: Anne Guyatt Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 19 William Street Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Piece: 322 Folio: 24 Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age Robert F Guyatt 32 Sadler and Army Accouterment Maker born Amport Hampshire Anne Guyatt 27 Born Islington Arthur R A Guyatt 7 Born Islington Anna B Guyatt 10/12 Born Bermondsey
The marriage entry given by Rootgatherer above shows Annie's father to be Robert, a saddler.
Chris
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26 Apr 2016 18:05 |
Malyon, you don't think the marriage found is correct?
This looks like the Annie who married in 1912 and Her age is wrong. And the Thomas Burr is with her family in 1911 and his age is wrong too.
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Name: Annie Beatrice Tuffield [Annie Beatrice Lockwood] Age in 1911: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation to Head: Grandchild Gender: Female Birth Place: Woolwich Civil Parish: Woolwich Search Photos: Search for 'Woolwich' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 62 Church Hill, Church Street, Woolwich Marital Status: Single Occupation: BANK CLERK [Shorthand Typist] Registration district: Woolwich Registration District Number: 30 Sub-registration district: Woolwich ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 2867 Household Members: Name Age Harriot Ann Lockwood 85 Harriot Sophia Tuffield 56 Emily Ann Lockwood 54 Louisa Jane Lockwood 52 Ada Warren Lockwood 48 Annie Beatrice Tuffield 25 Thomas Tuffield 22 Thomas Burr 25
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26 Apr 2016 17:30 |
perhaps they married later in woolwich
Thomas Burr England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005 marriage: 1912 Woolwich, London, England spouse: Tuffield other: Annie B Tuffield
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26 Apr 2016 17:20 |
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 17, Sumner Road, Camberwell, London, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Guyatt Head Married Male 51 1830 Saddler Amport, Surrey, England Transcription Annie Guyatt Wife Married Female 47 1834 - Middlesex, England Transcription Annie Guyatt Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Machinist Bermondsey, Surrey, England Transcription Alice Guyatt Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Machinist Bermondsey, Surrey, England Transcription Louisa Guyatt Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Machinist Peckham, Surrey, England Transcription Albert Guyatt Son Single Male 14 1867 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Edmund Guyatt Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
Street 17 Sumner Road Town - Parish Camberwell County London, Surrey Country England Registration district Camberwell
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26 Apr 2016 17:18 |
COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE Attach to Family Tree James Burr England and Wales Census, 1901 Name James Burr Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Lambeth, London, Middlesex, England County London, Middlesex Civil Parish Lambeth Ecclesiastical Parish St Luke Sub-District Norwood Registration District Lambeth Residence Note Dunbar Street Gender Male Age 3 Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1898 Birthplace Walwich, London Schedule Type 44 Page Number 6 HOUSEHOLD
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Thomas Burr Head M 40 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire Annie Burr Wife F 38 Peckham, London James Burr Son M 3 Walwich, London Maud Burr Daughter F 5 Norwood, London
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26 Apr 2016 17:17 |
Ages change in 1901 but it appears to be the same couple
Annie Burr Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Thomas Burr Birth Place: Peckham, London, England Civil Parish: Lambeth Search Photos: Search for 'Lambeth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Norwood ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 437 Folio: 32 Page Number: 6 Household schedule number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Burr 40, b. Hemel Hampstead Annie Burr 38 James Burr 3 Maud Burr 5
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26 Apr 2016 17:16 |
ANNA BEATRICE Last name GUYATT Birth year 1860 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's last name - District BERMONDSEY County London Country England Volume 1D Page 69 Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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26 Apr 2016 17:13 |
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Name: Annie B Burr Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Where born: Peckham, London, England Civil Parish: St Mary Aldermary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Aldermary Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: London City ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 239 Folio: 136 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Thorpe 42 Charlotte Thorpe 45 Florence M Thorpe 41 Henry Thorpe 9 Charlotte L Thorpe 8 John Ormond Pratt 33 Elizabeth Saunders 37 Estelle Thompson 26 Stasia Kent 25 Jane Bourne 27 Edith I Arnold 19 Amelia R Burtwell 20 Ada A Moss 24 Emily A Moore 21 Clara Allen 31 Annie B Burr 29 <<<<<<<<<<Married Lily Stewart 20 Lily Jacobs 23
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26 Apr 2016 17:07 |
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British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) THOMAS Last name BURR Birth year 1865 Birth parish HEMEL HEMPSTEAD Birth town HEMEL HEMPSTEAD Birth county HERTFORDSHIRE Birth country ENGLAND Service number 729 Rank - Regiment Grenadier Guards Document Type Attestation Attestation year 1886 Attestation Day 30 Attestation Month 12 Attestation age years 21 Attestation age months 8 Attestation Corps Grenadier Guards Attestation service number 729 Discharge Corps Grenadier Guards Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913 Box 2410 Box Record Number 144 Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain
father John
discharged 29/12/1898
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26 Apr 2016 17:02 |
John Thomas Burr, Carpenter Grenadier Guards Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Age: 23 Spouse: Annie Beatrice Guyatt Spouse Age: 27 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1889 Parish: Holy Trinity, Lambeth Borough: Lambeth Father Name: John Burr, Deceased Spouse Father: Robert Guyana, Deceased Register Type: Parish Register
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26 Apr 2016 16:54 |
Hello everybody. I wonder if anyone has any ideas as to where I go next in tracing my Great Gran. I have a 1911 census with Thomas Burr on it born 1866 married to an Annie also born 1866. They have two children. James born 1898 and Maud born 1896 (my Gran). (They did have 4 but 2 died) They say that they have been married 21 years (so 1891 or near as). In 1891 Thomas Burr is single at the time of the census. I cannot find a marriage certificate for a Thomas Burr and Annie - except for one in Altrincham, Cheshire. This is not them. Annie states that she was born in Peckham. Thomas was born in Hertfordshire. I did think at one time it was Annie Bates but that is now unlikely.Possibly never married?? Anyone any ideas? Thank you all so much. Lesley Sherman :-D
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