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I have a marriage Certificate for my Grandparents:-

Norman HILL & Dorothy Evelyn INGLEBY, married 13 August 1927, in Blackpool.

Norman HILL's parents were Richard HILL & Maria Ellen WARING
Dorothy Evelyn INGLEBY's father is listed as Robert Willis INGLEBY.

Dorothy Evelyn INGLEBY was born 20 May 1909, in Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire.

my request is can anyone please help me locate My Great Grandmother.

Dorothy E. HILL (INGLEBY) remarried to Leslie FARRER in 1973 in Cheltenham.

well hm

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

shows no marriage for Robert W Ingleby

and no birth for Robert Willis Ingleby.

Nor is there a birth for Dorothy Evelyn Ingleby.

She may have told a porky!

how do you have her birth date? since there is no birth record to match.

Ah, her death record.

Name: Dorothy Evelyn Farrer
Birth Date: 20 May 1909
Date of Registration: Dec 1994
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Blackpool and Fylde
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: B39C
District and Subdistrict: 5811B
Entry Number: 255

Do you have any info about Robert Willis Ingleby?

I can't see Dorothy or Robert in the 1911 census.

Can you say how you know where she was born - is that info on the death certificate for instance? if so it might not be accurate.

Births Dec 1881 ??
Ingleby Robert William Pateley Bridge 9a 60

Deaths Mar 1956 ?
Ingleby Robert W 74 York 2d 959

That must be him ... maybe mistranscribed in 1911 ...


but still no marriage.

It may be that he was her father but her parents weren't married, but she took his surname ... or he was a stepfather whose surname she adopted ... or Ingleby was her mother's surname and Robert Willis Ingleby was fabricated from her father's name and her mother's surname ... all those things happened

that death date means he should be in the 1939 register

editing - found that Robert, sadly


The Retreat Registered Mental Hospital , York C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Robert W Ingleby Patient 09 Oct 1881 Incapacitated Single


if that was her father, the circumstances might have been that in 1911 she was placed in foster care or informally adopted (there was no formal adoption until 1929) but is recorded under her foster/adoptive parent's surname

here is the closest I'm getting in 1911


Name: Robt Hy Ingleby
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
> Birth Place: Rawdon, Yorkshire, England
> Civil Parish: North Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 43 Patey St Longsight Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Professiowal Cricketon ... professional cricketer
Registration district: Prestwich
Robt Hy Ingleby 32
Emily Ingleby 34
Doris Ingleby 5 born Keighley, Yorkshire
Kolawole Ingleby 7/12 ... Florence Ingleby, sigh

Births Dec 1905
Ingleby Doris Keighley 9a 169


could your Dorothy have minimized her age because she was older than her groom? and fancified her name as young women not uncommonly did in the early 1920s?


but that's a very long shot


What was Robert Ingleby's occupation on Dorothy's marriage certificate? he wasn't recorded as deceased?


On the other hand, Dorothy may have been under 18 and exaggerated her age in order to marry.

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?


how about ...

Births Mar 1906
Ingleby Evelyn Pateley B. 9a 57

... no, she died unmarried in 1969


:-S

Possible for 1939 Register?

Dorothy Farrer (Hill) 20 May 1908
Norman Hill 03 Mar 1906 occ Fishmonger (unemployed)
Address 85 Marsden Rd, Blackpool, Lancashire

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1180337

(relating)

Chris :)


Anthony Report 29 Sep 2009 02:42

I have got a copy of my Gran's marriage Certificate and I am now trying to locate her father ROBERT WILLIS INGLEBY who is stated as being deceased. His occupation was PUBLICAN.

My gran was married on 13th August 1927, Her name DOROTHY EVELYN INGLEBY, she was born in PATELY BRIDGE, Yorkshire

Dorothy Evelyn Ingleby
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1907
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Aug 1927
Parish: Blackpool, South Shore, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Blackpool, South Shore' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Spouse: Norman Hill
Spouse Age: 21
Father: Robert Willis Ingleby
Spouse Father: Richard Hill
Register Type: Parish Register


Robert Willis Ingleby is a deceased Publican.

This looks like the marriage of the couple who were witnesses at Dorothy and Norman's marriage.

Harry Nicholls
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1925
Registration district: Fylde
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Jane Bibby
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 1146

According to the 1911 census Doris is with these people (Florence is the sister)

1939 Register

Ingleby Household (4 People)
11 Kenwood Avenue , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England


Florence Mitchell (Ingleby) 22 Jul 1910 Female Telephonist Gpo Single 158 3
Robert N Ingleby 23 Aug 1878 Male Cricket Coach & Groundsman Married 158
Emily Ingleby 09 Feb 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Married 158 2
George Roleson 27 Jan 1892 Male Retail Stationery Deale (Manager) Single 158 4

http://cricketarchive.com/Yorkshire/Players/96/96309/96309.html


Robert Henry Ingleby
Spouse: Emily Robson
Father: Charles Ingleby
Father: Roger Robson
Birth: year 1878
Marriage: 5th Oct Holbeck Yorkshire, England

I think that maybe eliminates that one the Gins as the marriage certificate gives Robert, a Publican deceased. Of course it is always possible that Dorothy said her father was deceased as she was under 21 when she married.

My money is on the one JoonieC mentioned above - Robert Henry Ingleby on the 1911 census.

I know the middle name doesn't fit BUT I have followed him back and his father and brother were both called Charles WILLIS Ingleby .......

1891 England Census
View Image
View Record
Name Charles W Ingleby
Age 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1841
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Margaret Ingleby
Gender Male
Where born Sawley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Rawdon
Ecclesiastical parish Guiseley
Town Rawdon
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Wharefdale
ED, institution, or vessel 8
Piece 3525
Folio 28
Page number 25
Household Members
Name Age
Charles W Ingleby 50
Margaret Ingleby 57
Charles W Ingleby 20
**Robert H Ingleby 12


Births Dec 1840 (>99%)
Ingleby Charles Willis Ripon 23 485

Births Dec 1870 (>99%) ???
Ingleby Charles Willis Leeds 9b 497


??
Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
INGLEBY Robert Henry Wharfedale 9a 136


Charles Ingleby
England

Full name Charles Willis Ingleby

Born December 11, 1870, Sheepscar, Leeds, Yorkshire

Died November 15, 1939, Eccleshill, Bradford, Yorkshire (aged 68 years 339 days)

Major teams Lancashire
Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
First-class 1 2 1 40 29 40.00 0 0 0 0
Bowling averages
Mat Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
First-class 1 30 17 0 - - - 3.40 - 0 0 0
Career statistics
First-class span 1899 - 1899


Robert Henry Ingelby
Born: 1879, Rawdon, Yorkshire, England
Died: 1949, Salford, Lancashire, England
Teams: Yorkshire Colts (Miscellaneous: 1900); Yorkshire Second XI (Miscellaneous: 1901)


Charles has a Pub connection here:

Charles Willis Ingleby
Age in 1911 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Fountains Earth
County/Island Yorkshire-West Riding
Country England
Street Address **Sportsman's Arms Hotel Wath In Middledale
Marital Status Married
Occupation Hotel Proprieter
Registration district Pateley Bridge
Registration District Number 486
Sub-registration district Ramsgill
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Piece 25826
Household Members
Name Age
Charles Willis Ingleby 40
Mary Eliza Ingleby 38
Charles Leslie Ingleby 8
James Agnie Ingleby 6
Elizabeth Jackson 69
James Jackson 65

He seems to fit very well with with Joonies info and Gins' details above.

Perhaps he adopted the family middle name of Willis in later life and dropped the 'Henry' ?

Dea x

Dorothy's DOB on death was 20 May 1909 on her death and 20 May 1908 on the 1939 register. Would that fit (assuming 20 May was correct regardless of year) with Doris's birth registration?

Doris Ingleby
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Keighley
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 169


Only just within the 6 weeks by a couple of days.

6 weeks would be 1st July at the latest wouldn't it ? - which would easily fall into the July-Aug-Sept. quarter.

EDIT - as in - it shouldn't be in the Oct/Nov/Dec Qtr

Looks good Dea

RG

If her birth was May wouldn't that birth reg be 19 weeks after her actual birth?

Has her marriage to Mr Farrer been found, maybe if the certificate was bought to check her dads name etc on that.

Sorry just re read post and see that the poster had written about 2nd marriage in 1973

Maryb

Yes Greyghost but the birth was register Oct-Nov-Dec quarter.

When Robert Henry married Emily, he gave his occupation as Professional Cricketer and his father's as a House Painter. On the 1901 census Robert Henry's occupation was Stone Mason. He may have become a Publican sometime after 1911 and before 1927 when "Dorothy Evelyn " married. Also she claims her father is deceased in 1927.

I'm not yet convinced that Doris and Dorothy Evelyn are one and the same.

Sorry Gins, I hadn't refreshed the page. My gut feeling given that the date and month of her birth are the same on her death registration and the 1939 register that that is correct, it's only the year that varies.

RG, no need for an apology :-)

I don't understand. If she was born in May (whatever year) she wouldn't have been registered from Oct - December

I am asking in case I've missed something :-S