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Did you know if you type out a big long message with lots of details and take too long that it completely wipes it all out!! Sorry if this is a repeat, but i did try and do a search but because it is only a single word search, Spooner produces nearly 500 matches - it seems strange to me that there is not a full name search for the forum part. And i did find advanced search but after 10 minutes not it is telling me it is still compiling results and suggests it can't handle a full name? I also tried George Henry Spooner in a person search and got zero matches and yet through the quick family finder it shows me George Henry. But i can't use that any further because it only works if you were born in an English county and neither will it take your first ancestor that was. Getting very frustrated with this site!

On a more positive note, I am looking for ancestors on my grandmother Beatrice Spooner's side. I have fond memories of her and her sisters Maggie and Vi. I know she married my Grandfather during WW1 when he worked as a munitions worker using his building skills, he was unfit for a soldier. He was Leslie Moore Baulderstone and his service records are available (for free!) at the australian war service records site and there is a letter in there where he has written to ask if he can bring his new wife home with him on the same ship.

I know that they lived only doors apart from the marriage certificate and Henry was in the building trades also and beatrice was the postal clerk, so lots of chances for them to meet. But apart from that i know nothing of the Spooner family history.

Any help appreciated. I only have a short membership because it was the only way to respond and help someone with history on the Baulderstone family side. But i also thought a good chance to try out a site to see if this would be the one to build my tree on, but so far it is just not working well for me. Even my 50 credits seem pretty useless without any sort of preview function, you have know idea if you are paying for a record that is correct or not. If they can fix these sort of simple things then you never know. I am always keen to help anyone

This appears to be Beatrice and her sisters Maggie and Vi on the 1911 census.....

Beatrice Spooner in the 1911 England Census
Name: Beatrice Spooner
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 9/3h Bole Hill Rd Sheffield
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow

Household Members:

George Henry Spooner 48 (Builder Labourer) Sheffield, Yorkshire,
Mary Spooner 38 Sheffield, Yorkshire
Beatrice Spooner 14
Maggie Spooner 7
Violet Spooner 1
John Peter Spooner 8/12

Married 18 years.........8 children born, 6 living, 2 had died

George Henry Spooner in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Henry Spooner
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Spooner
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: Crookes St Thomas
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Hallam

Household Members:

George Henry Spooner 38 (General Labourer)
Mary Spooner 28
Mabel Spooner 7
Eveline Spooner 5
Beatrice Spooner 4

Res: 3/9 Bolehill Road

National School Admission Register

Name Beatrice Spooner
Date of birth 27 Jul 1896
Year of Admission 1906
School Bole Hill Board School (senior mixed)
Father George Spooner
Address. 3 Bole Hill Road, Sheffield, Yorkshire

Job lot of Baptisms 4 Oct 1899 St Thomas, Crookes, Sheffield
Beatrice date of birth 23 Jul 1896
Eveline DOB 31 May 1895
Mabel DOB 22 Jan 1894
George Henry DOB 23 Oct 1898

Parents George Henry ( occ Labourer) & Mary Spooner
Address 3 Bole Hill Road

Although slight difference in day born 23 & 27 think must be same family

Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Spooner Mabel Ecclesall B. 9c 377


Mabel Spooner in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mabel Spooner
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 248 Western Rd. Sheffield.
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow

Household Members:

George Crawshaw 73
Elizabeth Crawshaw 72
Lucy Crawshaw 33
Hugh Crawshaw 26
Mabel Spooner 17

Mabel's parents marriage.......

??


Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)
Crawshaw Mary Wortley 9c 404
Spooner George Henry Wortley 9c 404



Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
Spooner Eveline Ecclesall B. 9c 358


Eveline Spooner in the 1911 England Census
Name: Eveline Spooner
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 22 Birkendale Vian Sheffield
Marital Status:Single
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow

Household Members:

Joseph Fearn Hough 71
Ernest Marshall 31
Alice Marshall 35
Eveline Spooner 15
Hugh Fearn Hough Marshall 4/12

Marriage

Date 25 May 1893, Parish Church, Stannington, Yorkshire

George Henry Spooner occ Labourer Age 30
Father Geoge Spooner occ Cow Keeper
Mary Crawshaw Age 20
Father George Crawshaw occ Wine Drawer
Address for both Wallsley, Myrtle Villa, Wood Lane

Witnesses J N Nicolson (looks like) & Fanny Spooner

George Hy . Spooner in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Hy . Spooner
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: George Spooner
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Nether Hallam
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country:England
Street address: 32 Providence Rd
Occupation: Farmers Son
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow

Household Members:

George Spooner 51 Widower (Sheffield, Yorkshire) Farmer Of 12 Acres & Cowkeeper
Jane Spooner 21
George Hy. Spooner 18
William Spooner 16
Fanny Spooner 13
Herbert Spooner 10

George Henry Spooner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Henry Spooner
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1863
Baptism Place: Shefield, York, England
Father: George Spooner
Mother: Sarah




George Spooner in the 1871 England Census
Name: George Spooner
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Spooner
Gender: Male
Where born: Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Wicker Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside

Household Members:

George Spooner 40 (Cow keeper)
Sarah Spooner 33
Jane S Spooner 11
George H Spooner 8
William Spooner 6
Fanny Spooner 3
Herbert Spooner 9 Months
Nancy Crownshaw 14 (Servant)

Res: 20 1/2 Andrew Street.


George Spooner in the 1861 England Census
Name: George Spooner
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: 1830
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Spooner
Gender: Male
Where born: Walkley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Wicker
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside

Household Members:

George Spooner 31 (Cow Keeper)
Sarah Spooner 22
Jane Spooner 3
Harriet N K 18

Res: Andrew Street.

Another job lot of Baptisms
22 Mar 1874 Cathedral Church of St Peter's & St Paul's, Sheffield

George dob 10 Sep 1862
William dob 18 Sep 1864
Fanny 22 Sep 1867
Herbert 5 Jun 1870
Ernest 15 Jan 1874

Address Andrew Street
Parents George ( occ Cow Keeper) & Sarah Spooner

Looks like George was baptised twice
Name George Henry Spooner
Baptism Wicker 11 Dec 1862
Birth date 10 Sep 1862
Parents George ( occ Dairyman) & Sarah
Address Andrew Street, Yorkshire

Possible marriage.......

??


Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Sanderson Sarah Sheffield 9c 284
SPOONER George Sheffield 9c 284

Daughter Jane born before the marriage??

??

Births Dec 1859 (>99%)
Sanderson Jane Sheffield 9c 358

Going back to the witnesses on George Henry Spooner's marriage to Mary Crawshaw.....

George's sister Fanny married John William Nicholson......


Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
Nicholson John William Ecclesall B. 9c 650
Spooner Fanny Ecclesall B. 9c 650

Fanny on the 1911 census.......

Fanny Nicholson in the 1911 England Census
Name: Fanny Nicholson [Fanny Spooner]
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 135 Western Road Crookes
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow

Household Members:

John William Nicholson 40
Fanny Nicholson 43
John George Nicholson 12
Sarah Ellen Nicholson 8
George Spooner 81 Father-in-law.........Widowed....(Late) Farmer

George Spooner in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: George Spooner
Probate Date: 12 Mar 1913
Registry: Wakefield
Death Date: 16 Nov 1911
Death Place: Sheffield, England

Of 135 Western-Road, Crookes, Sheffield......Yoeman

To Ernest Spooner journeyman carter and John William Nicholson coal dealer.

Effects: £521 5s 5d

Sheffield Independent - Wednesday 04 March 1914
ACCIDENT AT UNIVERSITY
A bricklayer, George Henry Spooner of 9ct 2hse Bole Hill Road, Sheffield lies in a critical condition at the Royal Hospital as the result of an accident yesterday. He was at work on some scaffolding at the new north west wing of the Sheffield University when he fell. His head struck the ground and he was take to the Royal Hospital. His skull was fractured and a dislodged bone penetrated his brain.
------------------------------------

He died following the accident:

National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: George Henry Spooner
Probate Date: 20 Feb 1917
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 4 Mar 1914
Death Place: Sheffield, England

Spooner- George Henry of 3 Bolehill Road, Crookes, Sheffield died 4 March at Royal Hospital, West Street, Sheffield Administration London 20 February to Mary Spooner, widow

thank you all, that's fantastic and lots of detail for me to digest and record. I love when you can piece together the story from the records - more than words you try to walk in their shoes.

As i worked down your detail Holly, i am glad that Mabel and Eveline turned up in 1911 - Mabel looks like she was at grandparents house but I wondered why she was 'visitor' rather than grand-daughter. Perhaps that was a convention to say she didn't usually live there.

Can't wait to get on Google street view and see if i can check out some of these addresses. Have looked at Bolehill Road before.

Is Cow Keeper the same as dairyman? And what is a Wine Drawer? I noticed the word Yoeman - same as Yeoman?

yeo·man (yo'm?n)
n.
1.
a. An attendant, servant, or lesser official in a royal or noble household.
b. A yeoman of the guard.
2. A petty officer performing chiefly clerical duties in the US Navy.
3. An assistant or other subordinate, as of a sheriff.
4. A diligent, dependable worker.
5. A farmer who cultivates his own land, especially a member of a former class of small freeholders in England.
[Middle English yeman, yoman, perhaps contraction of yong man, young man (yong, young; see young + man, man; see man), or from Old English *geaman (from or akin to Old Frisian gaman, villager : ga, region, district + man, man; see man- in Indo-European roots).]

Does this refer to the bit that says he had 12 acres? ie. a small freeholder?

And just saw the last post as if you were reading my mind as to my next question. I had wondered how George jnr died and there it is in detail.

Curious when Mary Spooner died - at 42 she was left with 2 kids under 4 and a 11yo. Not sure when Maggie, Vi and Peter came out to Australia. On a visit to the UK in the 90's i did manage to catch up with a relative in Sheffield and relying on memory now but i think there was some ill-feeling that the kids had gone.

I met my Aunty Ev in Sydney in Balmain about 35 years ago. I thought she was about 90, so that fits, just a bit less than 90. She was very short, similar to Aunty Maggie, whereas Aunty Vi and Nana were much taller. Most surprising to me is that i was in my late teens with a couple of mates (doing a 'roadie' exploring parts of Australia) and while i knew she was blind and had called to say we would be coming some weeks before, we were warmly welcomed in for a cup of tea. I nearly had kittens when she lit the gas stove up and put her hand over the flames to see if it was on! She lived alone and seemed happy and independent and a good lesson to us young blokes with great admiration for her. Also somewhere i have seen a photo of her with my Uncle during WW2 when he was in Port.

This is the passenger list (Did Mary (George's wife) marry again? :

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Mrs Mary Sharpe 50 Housewife
Violet Spooner 14
John Peter Spooner 13
Last UK Address 92 Sicey Avenue, Sheffield

Departure Date: 19 Jun 1924
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Adelaide, Australia
Ship Name: Bendigo
Shipping line: Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 145603
Master: Captain G H S Furlong

Perhaps this is her marriage:

Name: Mary Spooner
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Frederick Sharp
Volume Number: 9c Page Number: 892

It looks like Mary remarried in 1918........


Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Sharp Frederick Spooner Sheffield 9c 892
Spooner Mary Sharp Sheffield 9c 892

Here she is travelling to Adelaide, Australia with daughter Violet and son John Peter ....

John Peter Spooner in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: John Peter Spooner
Gender: Male
Age: 13
Birth Date: abt 1911
Departure Date: 19 Jun 1924
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Adelaide, Australia
Ship Name: Bendigo
Shipping line: Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 145603
Master: Captain G H S Furlong


Mrs Mary Sharp 50 Housewife...........92 Sicey Avenue, Sheffield
Violet Spooner 14
John Peter Spooner 13

Ah, Austin beat me to it! :-)