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Hi i have been looking for my Great Grandparents Marriage for William Hadley. William was born abt 1862 in Wolverhampton, his Parents were Edward Hadley and Martha Alcock. Edward and Martha were Married at Lapley, Staffordshire .
I have the 1901 Census and 1911 Census, both state that he was married but no wife.
William has two children Thomas, born abt 1890 Wolverhampton and Charles William Hadley born 1892 also Wolverhampton. The trouble im having is, that there are loads of Hadleys and most are called William. In the 1901 Census William was living with his two Sons and his Mother a Widow in Compton Street. I have looked on FreeReg and the LDS site and im on Ancestry as well and there is nothing.
Hope someone can help me with this as my Great Grandmother is really Foxing me.
Thank you
Regards
Ann

Welcome to the message boards.

You might need one of the childrens births certs to find mothers name.

Andy

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Black Boy Inn, Cobden Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Hadley Head Married Male 30 1861 Blacksmith Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Fanny Hadley Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Harriet E Hadley Daughter Single Female 9 1882 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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William Hadley Son Single Male 7 1884 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Thomas Hadley Son - Male 1 1890 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

In 1911 he states married 29 years

William Hadley
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wolverhampton
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
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County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 22 Compton Street, Wolverhampton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Black smith
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Registration District Number: 369
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 17033
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hadley 49
Thomas Hadley 21
Charlie Hadley 18
Emily Ashmore 45 Housekeeper


Perhaps the marriage didn't work and they went their own ways.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
40, Compton Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

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Martha Hadley Head Widow Female 73 1828 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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William Hadley Son Married Male 36 1865 General Blacksmith Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Thomas Hadley Grand Son - Male 11 1890 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Charles Hadley Grand Son - Male 8 1893 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

William Hadley
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 620

Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Ashford
Fanny Blakemore
William Hadley
Caroline Payne



Not sure that's the correct couple though as William in 1911 has been married 29 years but states 2 children born and 2 living. The William with Fanny on the 1891 census has more than 2 children.

or maybe

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Hadley William Wolverhampton 6b 828
Hargrave Frances Wolverhampton 6b 828


Andy

Hi everyone, thanks for all the input, just wondering if the housekeeper could have been his partner and they never married, i have come across this before.

Hi root gatherer
I have checked these before and they aren't the right ones. I'll Have to get one of Willian's sons birth certificate.
Really appreciate the help.
Thanks

See if you can find the children's births on
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=staffordshire
Sometimes the MMN is given.

The same site can be used to tie together marriages. Do bear in mind that the references they give won't be the same as the GRO and vice-versa

Hi Detective
Thanks will now give it a try.

Hi Issitt, I think it is quite possible that he and his wife separated and he took up with the housekeeper. The birth certificate of one of his children is definitely needed here.

I know you say you have checked the family posted by safc in 1891 but this could be a possible. Working backwards from 1911.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Tram Road Cottage Lyonshall Kington, Lyonshall, Herefordshire, England




William Bounds Head Married Male Waggoner 35 1876 Kington Herefsh
>>Harriet Bounds Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Staffs Wolverhampton
>>Fanny Hadley Mother In Law Widow Female Cook Domestic 48 1863 Staffs Wolverhampton
Alice Bounds Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Kington Herefsh
Ellen Bounds Daughter - Female School 5 1906 Kington Herefsh
Jeffrey Bounds Son - Male - 3 1908 Kington Herefsh
Ralph Bounds Son - Male - 2 1909 Kington Herefsh
>>Bert Hadley Brother In Law Single Male Blackmith Triker 17 1894 Staffs Wolverhampton
>>Harold James Hadley Brother In Law - Male School 12 1899 Staffs Waksall
Joseph Hadley Stepson - Male School 9 1902 Staffs Wolverhampton






In 1901, Fanny still states she is married but no sign of her husband. She also has another 2 children. Interestingly enough, William jnr and Thomas are not with her anymore.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

45, Leslie Road, Heath Town, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England



>>Fanny Hadley Wife Married Female 39 1862 Office Caretaker Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Harriet Emily Hadley Daughter Single Female 20 1881 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Bertie Hadley Son Single Male 5 1896 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Harold Js Hadley Son Single Male 1 1900 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England





1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Black Boy Inn, Cobden Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England



William Hadley Head Married Male 30 1861 Blacksmith Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Fanny Hadley Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Harriet E Hadley Daughter Single Female 9 1882 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
William Hadley Son Single Male 7 1884 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Hadley Son - Male 1 1890 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

The marriage posted by rootgatherer of Fanny Blakemore to William Hadley has William 21, a silversmith of Pool Street and his father is Henry, a locksmith.

The marriage posted by Andrew of Frances Hargrave to William Hadley has William 22, a ?up-maker of Dudley Rd and his father is Richard, a lockmaker.

Williams Father was Edward Hadley a Blacksmith. Edward Died 1883, William says he was married for 29 years in the 1911 Census, so 1882, have checked most of the marriages in and and around this date do not have Edward as the Grooms Fathers name. on any of them. 1911 and 1901 Census they were in Compton Street. Fanny Blakemore, Frances Hargrave, Mary A Taylor, also Elizabeth Killworth, Jane Jukes do not work. Found 2 births for Thomas and Charles his sons both in West Bromwich. Thomas born 1890 and Charles William in 1893, there is also a Marriage to Jane Jukes but that is for a William Henry and does not work.
Regards
Ann

So, this would be the father Edward who died in 1883??


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage, Penkridge, Cannock, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hadley Head Married Male 65 1816 Blacksmith Whiston, Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Wife Married Female 62 1819 Blacksmith Weston, Staffordshire, England

Dea x

How do you know that William's father was Edward please as there is no sign of William with them on ANY census.

Given that Martha was born around 1819/20 on all the census's, do you think it more likely that he could be the child of their daughter Ann, born in 1844?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston Infant School, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hadley Head - Male 55 1816 - Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Wife - Female 52 1819 - Shropshire, England
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Richard Rutter Journeyman - Male 22 1849 - Staffordshire, England




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Hadley Head Married Male 70 1791 Blacksmith Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Edward Hadley Son Unmarried Male 45 1816 Blacksmith Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Daughter In Law Married Female 42 1819 - Whiston, Shropshire, England
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Anne Hadley Granddaughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Dressmaker Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Francis Allcock Apprentice Unmarried Male 60 1801 Blacksmith Brewood, Staffordshire, England
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William Rostance Apprentice Unmarried Male 16 1845 Blacksmith Penkridge, Staffordshire, England



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Beckford, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hadley Head Married Male 35 1816 Blacksmith Whiston, Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Shropshire, England
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Ann Hadley Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Whiston, Staffordshire, England


Dea x

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Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Astbury Richard Penkridge 6b 643 Scan available - click to view
??? Dyke Albert Penkridge 6B 643 Scan available - click to view
??? Hadley Ann Penkridge 6b 643 Scan available - click to view
Horton Emma Penkridge 6b 643 Scan available - click to view
Laundry William John Martin Stoke T 6B 643 Scan available - click to view




****** Living next door to the Hadley's ..........
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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William Dyke Head Married Male 57 1804 Farmer 119 Acres Employing 2 Men & 1 Boy Stretton, Staffordshire, England
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Charlotte Dyke Wife Married Female 56 1805 Farmers Wife Blymhill, Staffordshire, England
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Albert Dyke Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 - Blymhill, Staffordshire, England ***** age on image is not 10 - 'probably 20 !!!
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Edward Blakemore Servant Unmarried Male 24 1837 Farm Labourer Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Edward Blakemore Servant Unmarried Male 15 1846 Farm Boy Stretton, Staffordshire, England

I can't see them on 1871at the moment to check.

Have to go out for a while but will look further when I get back.

Dea x

Looks like Albert died 3 years after the marriage?
Deaths Dec 1866 (>99%)
Dyke Albert 25 Penkridge 6b 256 Scan available - click to view

Looks like Ann remarried?
Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
**Dyke Annie Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view
Hanmer John Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view
**Pointon James Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view
Woollaston Elizabeth Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view




Name: Ann Pointon
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Pointon
Gender: Female
Where born: Whiston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Penkridge
Town: Whiston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Penkridge
Sub-registration district: Penkridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 2921
Folio: 6
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pointon 28
Ann Pointon 26
William E D Pointon 7
Albert D Pointon 5
Mary A Pointon 3 Months
Susannah Hadley 11

NB - there is a 'William' with them ??

REALLY have to go out now - just when this is getting so interesting too ;-) :-( :-(

Dea x

How do you know that William's son, Charles, was 'Charles William' ? I'm struggling to find a reference for that- am I missing something?

I have his Marriage Certificate to Elizabeth Eleanor Bayliss Dec. 25. 1911 at The Parish Church of St Paul Wolverhampton both 19 years of age Charles William, Dock Porter, address 22 Compton Street, Father William Hadley, Fathers Occupation, Forgeman, Elizabeths abode was 13 Dale street, she was a presser. I do have a but as on my Fathers Birth Certificate it Says Charles Henry Hadley as his Father and not Charles William as is on the Marriage Cert?
In answer to Dea i think that she might have a point about Ann being his Mother, but it does state on the 1901 Census that Martha is his Mother, maybe William was never told who his real mother was, as this did happen where Grandparents and Parents raised their Childrens Offsprings as their own, and William being born in 1862 is quite a Gap, Ann did have a Brother William either born in 1842 or was her twin as there is another birth for a William in 1844, but died the same year. Unless Martha Fell pregnant when late in life which also happened, women often got pregnant when they were going through the Menopause.
Looks like Ann Married the year after William was born in 1863, maybe Albert Dyke would not take William? I did find a third Marriage for Ann to a John Hood on 23 Feb 1884 at Lapley
All this is a real Head Banger. It's nice to have fresh eyes and other opinions.
I really do appreciate all the help :-S
Regards
Ann