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Thanks for letting us know Ann.

Hi All
I thought i would just let you know, the Mother of Charles Henry and Williams Wife is Fanny Blakemore, i think we all knew but it's good to get the confirmation on Charles Birth Cert.
Thanks everyone
Ann

That is the correct Family, but why would he say Charles William on the Marriage Cert, this would now give me a different family altogether. But i can now get my Grandmothers name. Hopefully i won't have to make too many changes in my tree.
What you can do if you can access the right information.
Many Many Thanks
Regards
Ann

Many thanks safc- maybe Issitt can confirm if this is the correct family?

Looking at the children born to the Hadley/ Bayliss couple it seems that the above is correct.

So the birth above for Charles HENRY Hadley 1892 would give you his mother's name.

Charles H Hadley on the 1939 Register

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Hadley Household (4 People) 48 Merridale Street , Wolverhampton C.B., Staffordshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Charles H Hadley 09 Oct 1892 Male Goods Checker - Railway Company Heavy Worker Married 69 1
Elizabeth E Hadley 23 Sep 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 69 2
Gladys Grace (P) Lewis (Hadley) 07 Dec 1915 Female Kitchen Maid - Restaurant Single 69 3
Kenneth Hadley 31 Mar 1930 Male At School Single 69 6

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Perhaps someone can post the full details of the 1939 register:

1939 register (I don't have access)

Hadley Household Wolverhampton C.B., Staffordshire, England
Charles H Hadley 1892
Elizabeth E Hadley (1892) and 2 more people are on this record
5 more people who are officially closed

If this is your Grandparents - the date of birth may help you to obtain the correct birth certificate

Can you confirm when your Grandfather died? Is the above the index for his death in 1978?

Why would it throw everything in the air?

Hi Austin
If that is the case then why on the Marriage Cert does it say Charles William, And Charles Henry would throw everything up in the air.

William could have been the son of Francis Allcock a 20 year old Blacksmith who was on the 1861 Census with Edward, Martha and Ann just sweet 16, on the other hand William could have been Albert Dykes son born out of Wedlock, as Albert lived next door.
Maybe this was how it was, I had an Uncle that was born out of Wedlock, never changed his name to his Fathers name, but kept his Mothers instead.
Maybe this part is now solved i still have to find Williams Spouse. If i had some other hadley relatives to ask this would probably not be on here.

Staffordshire marriages Transcription
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First name(s) John
Last name Hood
Age Full
Marriage year 1884
Marriage date 21 Feb 1884
Marriage place Lapley, All Saints
Denomination Anglican
Residence Bickford Lapley
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Hood
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Pointon
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's residence Penkridge
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Hadley
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3082/1/8
Page 94
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

I think he is more likely Charles Henry:

Birth:
Name: Charles Henry Hadley
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b Page: 540
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possible death:
Name: Charles Henry Hadley
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1892
Date of Registration: Mar 1978
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 34 Page: 0598
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1939 register (I don't have access)

Hadley Household Wolverhampton C.B., Staffordshire, England
Charles H Hadley 1892
Elizabeth E Hadley and 2 more people are on this record
5 more people who are officially closed
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possible birth for Thomas:
Name: Thomas Hadley
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b Page: 542

I have his Marriage Certificate to Elizabeth Eleanor Bayliss Dec. 25. 1911 at The Parish Church of St Paul Wolverhampton both 19 years of age Charles William, Dock Porter, address 22 Compton Street, Father William Hadley, Fathers Occupation, Forgeman, Elizabeths abode was 13 Dale street, she was a presser. I do have a but as on my Fathers Birth Certificate it Says Charles Henry Hadley as his Father and not Charles William as is on the Marriage Cert?
In answer to Dea i think that she might have a point about Ann being his Mother, but it does state on the 1901 Census that Martha is his Mother, maybe William was never told who his real mother was, as this did happen where Grandparents and Parents raised their Childrens Offsprings as their own, and William being born in 1862 is quite a Gap, Ann did have a Brother William either born in 1842 or was her twin as there is another birth for a William in 1844, but died the same year. Unless Martha Fell pregnant when late in life which also happened, women often got pregnant when they were going through the Menopause.
Looks like Ann Married the year after William was born in 1863, maybe Albert Dyke would not take William? I did find a third Marriage for Ann to a John Hood on 23 Feb 1884 at Lapley
All this is a real Head Banger. It's nice to have fresh eyes and other opinions.
I really do appreciate all the help :-S
Regards
Ann

How do you know that William's son, Charles, was 'Charles William' ? I'm struggling to find a reference for that- am I missing something?

Looks like Albert died 3 years after the marriage?
Deaths Dec 1866 (>99%)
Dyke Albert 25 Penkridge 6b 256 Scan available - click to view

Looks like Ann remarried?
Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
**Dyke Annie Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view
Hanmer John Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view
**Pointon James Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view
Woollaston Elizabeth Penkridge 6b 549 Scan available - click to view




Name: Ann Pointon
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Pointon
Gender: Female
Where born: Whiston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Penkridge
Town: Whiston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Penkridge
Sub-registration district: Penkridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 2921
Folio: 6
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pointon 28
Ann Pointon 26
William E D Pointon 7
Albert D Pointon 5
Mary A Pointon 3 Months
Susannah Hadley 11

NB - there is a 'William' with them ??

REALLY have to go out now - just when this is getting so interesting too ;-) :-( :-(

Dea x

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Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Astbury Richard Penkridge 6b 643 Scan available - click to view
??? Dyke Albert Penkridge 6B 643 Scan available - click to view
??? Hadley Ann Penkridge 6b 643 Scan available - click to view
Horton Emma Penkridge 6b 643 Scan available - click to view
Laundry William John Martin Stoke T 6B 643 Scan available - click to view




****** Living next door to the Hadley's ..........
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Dyke Head Married Male 57 1804 Farmer 119 Acres Employing 2 Men & 1 Boy Stretton, Staffordshire, England
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Charlotte Dyke Wife Married Female 56 1805 Farmers Wife Blymhill, Staffordshire, England
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Albert Dyke Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 - Blymhill, Staffordshire, England ***** age on image is not 10 - 'probably 20 !!!
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Edward Blakemore Servant Unmarried Male 24 1837 Farm Labourer Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Edward Blakemore Servant Unmarried Male 15 1846 Farm Boy Stretton, Staffordshire, England

I can't see them on 1871at the moment to check.

Have to go out for a while but will look further when I get back.

Dea x

How do you know that William's father was Edward please as there is no sign of William with them on ANY census.

Given that Martha was born around 1819/20 on all the census's, do you think it more likely that he could be the child of their daughter Ann, born in 1844?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston Infant School, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hadley Head - Male 55 1816 - Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Wife - Female 52 1819 - Shropshire, England
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Richard Rutter Journeyman - Male 22 1849 - Staffordshire, England




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Hadley Head Married Male 70 1791 Blacksmith Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Edward Hadley Son Unmarried Male 45 1816 Blacksmith Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Daughter In Law Married Female 42 1819 - Whiston, Shropshire, England
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Anne Hadley Granddaughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Dressmaker Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
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Francis Allcock Apprentice Unmarried Male 60 1801 Blacksmith Brewood, Staffordshire, England
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William Rostance Apprentice Unmarried Male 16 1845 Blacksmith Penkridge, Staffordshire, England



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Beckford, Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hadley Head Married Male 35 1816 Blacksmith Whiston, Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Shropshire, England
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Ann Hadley Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Whiston, Staffordshire, England


Dea x

So, this would be the father Edward who died in 1883??


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage, Penkridge, Cannock, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hadley Head Married Male 65 1816 Blacksmith Whiston, Staffordshire, England
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Martha Hadley Wife Married Female 62 1819 Blacksmith Weston, Staffordshire, England

Dea x

Williams Father was Edward Hadley a Blacksmith. Edward Died 1883, William says he was married for 29 years in the 1911 Census, so 1882, have checked most of the marriages in and and around this date do not have Edward as the Grooms Fathers name. on any of them. 1911 and 1901 Census they were in Compton Street. Fanny Blakemore, Frances Hargrave, Mary A Taylor, also Elizabeth Killworth, Jane Jukes do not work. Found 2 births for Thomas and Charles his sons both in West Bromwich. Thomas born 1890 and Charles William in 1893, there is also a Marriage to Jane Jukes but that is for a William Henry and does not work.
Regards
Ann

The marriage posted by rootgatherer of Fanny Blakemore to William Hadley has William 21, a silversmith of Pool Street and his father is Henry, a locksmith.

The marriage posted by Andrew of Frances Hargrave to William Hadley has William 22, a ?up-maker of Dudley Rd and his father is Richard, a lockmaker.

Hi Issitt, I think it is quite possible that he and his wife separated and he took up with the housekeeper. The birth certificate of one of his children is definitely needed here.

I know you say you have checked the family posted by safc in 1891 but this could be a possible. Working backwards from 1911.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Tram Road Cottage Lyonshall Kington, Lyonshall, Herefordshire, England




William Bounds Head Married Male Waggoner 35 1876 Kington Herefsh
>>Harriet Bounds Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Staffs Wolverhampton
>>Fanny Hadley Mother In Law Widow Female Cook Domestic 48 1863 Staffs Wolverhampton
Alice Bounds Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Kington Herefsh
Ellen Bounds Daughter - Female School 5 1906 Kington Herefsh
Jeffrey Bounds Son - Male - 3 1908 Kington Herefsh
Ralph Bounds Son - Male - 2 1909 Kington Herefsh
>>Bert Hadley Brother In Law Single Male Blackmith Triker 17 1894 Staffs Wolverhampton
>>Harold James Hadley Brother In Law - Male School 12 1899 Staffs Waksall
Joseph Hadley Stepson - Male School 9 1902 Staffs Wolverhampton






In 1901, Fanny still states she is married but no sign of her husband. She also has another 2 children. Interestingly enough, William jnr and Thomas are not with her anymore.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

45, Leslie Road, Heath Town, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England



>>Fanny Hadley Wife Married Female 39 1862 Office Caretaker Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Harriet Emily Hadley Daughter Single Female 20 1881 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Bertie Hadley Son Single Male 5 1896 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Harold Js Hadley Son Single Male 1 1900 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England





1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Black Boy Inn, Cobden Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England



William Hadley Head Married Male 30 1861 Blacksmith Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Fanny Hadley Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
>>Harriet E Hadley Daughter Single Female 9 1882 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
William Hadley Son Single Male 7 1884 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Hadley Son - Male 1 1890 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England