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Oooo eeerrr!! - Just come back in and seen this - does that mean that I was right and Edward James and Henry James are the same person??

Still not quite sure whether he should really have been a Henry or an Edward though as the baptism says Henry but he is Edward on the 1871 ??

I was sure they were one person though so I don't suppose it really matters.

- Thanks for that info Greyghost.!!!

Dea Xxx

Re sent - let me know I've got it right this time !!

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 12 Feb 1865
Person forename Robert
Person sex M
Person abode Perry Street
Father forename John
Father surname WILSON
Father occupation Tin smith
Mother forename Esther

(above from below free link, also Parents Marriage, if anything else relating)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

edits (below from google search, our good ol' helper friend Maureen!)

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Re: Robert H Wilson History

« Reply #13 on: Sunday 16 August 15 13:08 BST (UK) »

I keep looking at the family of John Thomas POWELL (wife Esther) in 1881 (A*try). Step son Robert WILSON.
She's listed as Easter WILSON in 1871 and Robert's age is mistranscribed as 10 (looks like 6 on the image).
Esther WILSON marries John POWELL as a widow with father's surname as BROTHERTON. Esther BROTHERTON marries John WILSON 1862 Wolverhampton.

Maureen

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728469.9


Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Powell John Wolverhampton 6b 771
Wilson Esther Wolverhampton 6b 771

Hi grey ghost, I opened the message but nothing attached x

Check your in box

I think you'll find that the Registrar mistakenly wrote Henry James Wilson when he should have written Edward James and that a correction was made in the register March 23 1863

The birth was registered by Esther on December 5th 1862 and although she appears to be able to sign her own name, perhaps she couldn't read well enough to realise the mistake. There is no doubt that the birth date was registered as November 15th 1862

Thanks grey ghost too does that correction mean Edward was born march 1863? Best

I think you may have cracked it x

Intrigued - used 5 credits to look at the birth certificate of Edward James Wilson on Scotland's People -
1 1862 WILSON EDWARD JAMES M HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1832

it reads HENRY JAMES WILSON BORN NOVEMBER 15TH 1862

Parents John Wilson a Tinsmith Journeyman and Esther nee Brotherton. Married 21 January 1862 Wolverhampton.

Henry born 1 hour 45 min PM at 26 Rose Street, Glasgow

there is a note in the margin - - looks like - Dec Register of corrected entries Vol 1 Page 93 March 23 1863

I am having a very strange thought here as so many things on this do not add up !!

Without seeing the 1871 census with Henry James on it I am not totally convinced that he was there! - There is one but we have proved that this is not him.

I too cannot understand why they would take the younger brother and leave him behind !!

We know he existed because above is the baptism and he was born November 1862.

His brother Robert was born 1864 (September Quarter ) ??

There was hardly time to get another child in between and yet there is Edward James who was born in Scotland to them c 1862/1863.

Strange, though not impossible, that the two had the same middle name of James?

Edward James' death gives birthdate c 1862:


Name Edward J Wilson
Birth Date abt 1862
Date of Registration Jun 1938
Age at Death 76
Registration district Wolverhampton
Inferred County Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 538

I can see no birth or baptism for an Edward James and I am thinking that they did NOT leave a child behind but that Edward James is in fact Henry James ??

Given the name Henry but later called Edward....................

What does anyone else think?

Dea x

I have no certainty that Henry James lived past 1862, only that a Henry James appears in Hamilton as hat maker in later Lanarkshire census or at least I thought he did until latest posts. My wilson line stops dead with John wilson, he put his dad down as james but if james did come from Glasgow then I can't find him, when Esther's husband died she listed him as only son of John? So maybe she mistook james for John but said he lived in chapel ash wolverhampton x

1871 for Esther with family

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Horseley Fields, Lower, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Easter Wilson Head - Female 27 1844 - London, Middlesex, England
Edward Wilson Son - Male 8 1863 - Scotland
Robert Wilson Son - Male 6 1865 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Wilson Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Samuel Wilson Son - Male 1 1870 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
George Cousins Boarder - Male 30 1841 - Warwickshire, England
Sarah Cousins Boarder - Female 24 1847 - Shropshire, England

Esther shows as a Widow on the original and is a Shopkeeper.
Places of birth added from original - transcript just has counties

Well, here's the thread from Matthew re John Wilson (and Esther) which is where I'd posted the Staffs marriage before.
Looks as though John himself was born in Scotland c 1842 and was in Wolverhampton on the 1861 census - a tinplate worker

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1355118

It may explain why the family were in Glasgow if John had family there.

I would REALLY like to see the details of that 1871 scottish census with Henry James on it !!

Are you absolutely sure that he was 'left behind' and did not die?

Who was he left behind with please?

Dea x

Hi grey ghost, yes that was me, I made a new account when I changed banks, that last post was about John a Nd esther which I've got some more information on now but this question was about their son Henry James wilson, best x

Hi Dea, John and esther returned to Wolverhampton w here my g grandad robert was born 1864, John died there six years later, his son Samuel was born same year and daughter Elizabeth born Birmingham 1868 but I'm having trouble finding details on their eldest abandoned child Henry James wilson born 1862, thanks x

Is this the marriage of his parents?? FMP is showing that I've looked these up before, so do you have another thread about the family (or does someone else) ?? Either way it's a big coincidence.


First name(s) JOHN
Last name WILSON
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1862
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN WILSON married one of these people
ESTHER BROTHERTON, ADELAIDE PERRY
District WOLVERHAMPTON
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 558
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
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Staffordshire marriages Transcription

First name(s) John
Last name Wilson
Age 19
Birth year 1843
Marriage year 1862
Marriage date 21 Jan 1862
Marriage place Wolverhampton, St John
Denomination Anglican
Residence Paradise Street
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Wilson
Spouse's first name(s) Esther
Spouse's last name Brotherton
Spouse's age 18
Spouse's residence Dudley Road
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Brotherton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3785/1/6
Page 206

EDIT - safc added further info re marriage on other thread. John's Father listed as James Wilson - a Tiinman - as is John

Who is he with on that 1871 census as I can't see him, only the other Henry James.

Also - are the parents in England by then and if so, where and what are their details please?

Dea x

Sorry, still got a genes subscription but out of credits, it's def the november 1862 hutchestown mentioned with esther brotherton John wilson as parents, I can't understand why they took younger son Edward back home to England and left Henry behind, there's only I need Henry j mentioned on census in Lanarkshire born 1862, best x

Matthew - could you post the 1871 census you have with him on please for reference?

Thanks,

Dea x