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Susan
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25 Jul 2016 21:29 |
My Grandfather was born in Cork his surname was Quinn but he was adopted and taken to England. I am trying to find out where he was actually born and when. His adopted name was Alfred George Goodwin. He died in 1968 or 67 around 80 years old.
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 09:04 |
Welcome to GR Susan.
If he died in Wandsworth.........he died in 1967
Alfred G Goodwin in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Alfred G Goodwin Birth Date: abt 1887 Date of Registration: Mar 1967 Age at Death: 80 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 5e Page: 654
Who were his adopted parents?
Have you found him on any census records?
What is the name of your parent...who is the child of Alfred George Goodwin?
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rootgatherer
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26 Jul 2016 09:29 |
Who did he marry please? When and where? Did he name his father on the marriage certificates?
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2016 09:46 |
Possibly him?? Pupil at St Ann's Road Grammar School. No help re parents, though.
Alfred Goodwin in the 1901 England Census
Name: Alfred Goodwin Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Pupil Gender: Male Birth Place: Limerick, Ireland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Faversham Within Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Charity Town: Faversham County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Registration district: Faversham Sub-registration district: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 805 Folio: 20 Page Number: 31 Household schedule number: 212
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rootgatherer
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26 Jul 2016 09:49 |
I think this is the same Alfred in 1911 ArgyllGran as he's not with his family in Ireland in 1901
Alfred Goodwin Gender: Male Age: 23 Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Son Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 Townland/Street: Circular Road District: Limerick No. 2 Urban County: Limerick Household Members: Name Age Jane Goodwin 52 Alfred Goodwin 23 Louisa Hart 56 Ann Moloney
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2016 09:51 |
Or maybe not - this could be the same person in 1911 - impossible to tell:
Alfred Goodwin in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911 Name: Alfred Goodwin Gender: Male Age: 23 Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Son Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 Townland/Street: Circular Road District: Limerick No. 2 Urban County: Limerick Household Members: Name Age Jane Goodwin 52 Alfred Goodwin 23 Louisa Hart 56 Ann Moloney 22
EDIT: Snap, RG!
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rootgatherer
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26 Jul 2016 09:57 |
I think we need Susan to come back and give us some more information.
Not seeing a birth in Cork for an Alfred George. If he was "brought" to England you would expect him to be a minor or young adult and appear on the 1911 census or even an earlier census.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2016 10:04 |
If adopted as a baby, his first name(s) may also have been changed by his adoptive parents - in which case we have no hope of tracing his birth.
But I agree - I would have thought he would be on the 1901 or 1911 England census.
Susan - have you any idea where in England he was brought up?
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 10:11 |
I wonder if he married under the name of George A Goodwin?
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George A Goodwin in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: George A Goodwin Spouse Name:Florence M Mason Registration Year: 1915 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 1854
Alfred Goodwin in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: Alfred Goodwin ....(Alfred George on one of the images) Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1886 Enlistment Age: 29 yrs 3 months Marriage Date: 10 May 1915 Marriage Place: The Register Office Wandsworth Document Year: 1915 Residence Place: 19 Broomfield Road, Stockwell Regimental Number: 95694 Regiment Name: S Btn The Queen's Royal West Surrey Regiment Lambeth Number of Images: 18 Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier
Alfred Goodwin Self (Head) Florence Mary Mason Spouse George Alfred Goodwin Child 15th Sep 1907 Wandsworth Henry Patrick Goodwin Child 9th Nov 1909 Camberwell Charles William Goodwin Child 23rd Feb 1913 Stockwell
4 possible further children born after the marriage....
?? Births Dec 1915 (>99%) Goodwin Florence H Mason Wandsworth 1d 1011
Births Sep 1918 (>99%) Goodwin Rosetta M Mason Wandsworth 1d 748
Births Jun 1920 (>99%) Goodwin Maisie Mason Wandsworth 1d 1278
Births Dec 1924 (>99%) Goodwin Walter E Mason Wandsworth 1d 853
??
Births Sep 1890 (>99%) Mason Florence Mary Wandsworth 1d 674
Florence M Goodwin in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Florence M Goodwin Birth Date: abt 1891 Date of Registration: Mar 1968 Age at Death: 77 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 5e Page: 892
Florence Mason in the 1901 England Census Name: Florence Mason Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Harry Mason Mother: Susan Mason Birth Place: Clapham, London, England Civil Parish: Battersea Registration district: Wandsworth Sub-registration district: East Battersea
Household Members:
Harry Mason 34 Homerton, London, England Susan Mason 32 Holloway, London, England Florence Mason 10 Lillian Mason 9 Edith Mason 6 Harry Mason 1
Harry E Maron in the 1891 England Census (Mason on the image) Name: Harry E Maron Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Susan Maron Gender: Male Where born: Homerton Civil Parish: Clapham Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Wandsworth
Household Members:
Harry E Maron 25 (Beer Setterman?) Susan Maron 23 Florence M Maron 8 Clapham, Surrey, England
Harry Edwin Mason in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Harry Edwin Mason (Bachelor) Setter Man....51 North Street Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Age: 24 Spouse: Susan Gregory (Spinster)....61 North Street Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1889 Parish: St Paul, Clapham Borough: Lambeth Father Name: Harry Edwin Mason (Brewer) Spouse Father: Benjamine Gregory (Labourer) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: William Willis and E??? Edwards
H E Mason in the 1911 England Census Name: H E Mason [Harry Edwin Mason] Age in 1911: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom [Hackney, London] Civil Parish: Wandsworth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 36 Park Place, Clapham S W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 22 Estimated Marriage Year: 1889 Occupation: MILK CARRIER Registration district: Wandsworth Registration District Number: 26 Sub-registration district: Clapham
Household Members:
H E Mason 47 Mrs Mason 45 Lillian Mason 19 Edith Mason 16 Harry Mason 11 Walter Mason 8
(Married 22 years.....5 children born and living)
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2016 10:19 |
PH - a tree on Ancestry says that the Alfred who married Florence was born in Whitechapel - but doesn't offer proof.
Parents unknown to the tree owner.
Birth ABT 1887 • Whitechapel
1887
(AGE) Marriage 1893 Florence Mary Mason
(1890–)
1893
6 Birth of Daughter Alice Goodwin(1904–) abt 1904 • London, United Kingdom
1904
16 Birth of Son George Goodwin(1907–1989) 15 September 1907 • 77 Swallowfield Rd, Wandsworth
1907
20 Residence 02 Apr 1911 • Bethnal Green, London, England
Age: 38; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head
1911
24 Birth of Son Charles William Goodwin(1913–) ABT 1913 • Lambeth, London, England
1913
25 Birth of Daughter Florence Helen Goodwin(1915–1994) 16 DEC 1915 • Wandsworth, London
1915
28 Marriage ABT 1915 • Wandsworth, London Florence Mary Mason
(1890–)
1915
28 Birth of Daughter Maisie Goodwin(1920–) ABT 1920 • Wandsworth, London
1920
32 Birth of Son Walter E Goodwin(1924–) ABT 1924 • Wandsworth, London
1924
36 Death 08 FEB 1967 • St Johns Hospital Battersea
(Will that be the death you posted earlier, PH?)
Susan - do the names of any of the children ring a bell with you? could we be on the right track?
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2016 10:26 |
PM sent to Susan, as she's a new poster, to let her know there are replies, and how to answer on here.
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rootgatherer
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26 Jul 2016 10:50 |
1939 Yew Tree Farm Turnace Lane , Tonbridge R.D., Kent, England Florence M Goodwin Ref: RG101/1861F/015/6 Letter Code: © Findmypast Ltd
Record has been Mistranscribed. There is one closed record and also there is Alfred G. Goodwin, a Hotel Porter. DOB 29 May 1886
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2016 10:57 |
Birth of that Alfred??
Births Jun 1886 (>99%) GOODWIN Alfred Lewisham 1d 1155
If so, he's clearly not the one we're looking for.
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 11:01 |
Thinking about it.......that would mean that the children on the Military Record were born before the marriage in 1915.
On that Military Record......the residence is....19 Broomfield Road, Stockwell
The son Henry's birth registration........
Births Dec 1909 (>99%) Goodwin Harry Patrick Camberwell 1d 760
George Goodwin in the 1911 England Census Name: George Goodwin Age in 1911: 26 Estimated birth year:abt 1885 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Battersea Civil Parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 Broomgrove Rd, Stockwell S W Marital Status: Married Occupation: FLOWER SELLER Registration district: Lambeth Registration District Number: 25 Sub-registration district: Stockwell Household Members:
George Goodwin 26 Florence Goodwin 21 Clapham Harry Patrick Goodwin 2
Married 5 years ....2 children born and living..... (Florence would have been 16 if she had married in 1906!!!)
His address on discharge.....1 Rowlands Cottages, Clapham.
Florence Mary and George Alfred are on the Electoral Register between 1919 and 1929.....Residing at 1 Rowlands Cottages.
Florence Mary Goodwin in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: Florence Mary Goodwin and George Alfred Goodwin Year: 1929 County or Borough: Wandsworth Ward or Division/Constituency: Wandsworth Street address: 1 Rowlands Cottages
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 12:26 |
Looking at your surname Susan.......might this be relevant
Births Jun 1920 (>99%) Goodwin Maisie Mason Wandsworth 1d 1278
Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%) Bicknell Thomas G Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1368 Goodwin Maisie Bicknell Wandsworth 1d 1368
(I'm not seeing any Bicknell/Goodwin births registered in England or Wales)
Maisie Bicknell in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Maisie Bicknell Birth Date: 18 May 1920 Date of Registration: Nov 1994 Age at Death: 74 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Register Number: A84A District and Subdistrict: 2561A Entry Number: 274
Maisie Bicknell in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: Maisie Bicknell and Thomas G Bicknell Year: 1956 County or Borough: Wandsworth Ward or Division/Constituency: Wandsworth Central Street address: 6 Dawnay Gardens
Prickles. ;o))
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rootgatherer
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26 Jul 2016 13:11 |
Prickles, there are several Bicknell mmn Goodwin births in Battersea ( including a Susan). I was working back from that when you beat me to the possible Goodwin / Mason marriage.
Pity Maisie wasn't with her parents on the 1939 register :-)
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 13:32 |
Ah.......I was searching Bicknall and not Bicknell.
Found them now.
Looks like i am on the right track then!
;-)
It would be interesting to know who George named as his father on the marriage certificate.
Do you have a copy of your Grandparents marriage cert Susan?
If not, the best place to purchase certificates is online here........
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
They cost £9 25p
I ask again.......do you know the names of your Grandfathers adoptive parents ??
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 20:49 |
Hello Susan
To reply on here....type in the white box at the bottom.....and then click on "Submit"
Prickles. x
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Susan
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26 Jul 2016 20:58 |
My Grandfather was married to Florence mary Goodwin. My mother is there daughter Maisie Goodwin Bicknell.She was born 18/5/1920.
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PricklyHolly
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26 Jul 2016 23:35 |
Actually Susan.......your Grandfather married Florence Mary Mason.
Mason being her maiden name.
Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%) Goodwin George A Mason Wandsworth 1d 1854 Mason Florence M Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1854
To make things clear.........
He appears as Alfred Goodwin on his Army Service Record...Alfred George Goodwin on one of the images.
He writes his name as George Goodwin on the 1911 census.(Giving his birth place as Battersea) He is with Florence and claims they had been married 5 years. In actual fact, they didn't marry until 1915 and they had 3 children out of wedlock.
George Alfred born 1907 Harry Patrick born 1909 Charles William born 1913
He married under the name of.......George A Goodwin.
He appears as George Alfred Goodwin on the Electoral Registers between 1919...1929 residing at 1 Rowlands Cottages.
He appears as Alfred G Goodwin on the Electoral Registers between 1956--1963 residing at 96 Foss Road, Wandsworth. (Which is possibly where they were living when he and Florence died?)
Edit: Just spotted Alfred G, Florence M and son Walter E on the 1964 and 1965 Electoral Register.......living at 266 Garrat Lane, Wandsworth.
On the 1939 register, he gives his name as Alfred G Goodwin and his date of birth as......29th May 1886.
His death was registered in the name of... Alfred G Goodwin in 1967.
If you can give us the names of his adoptive patents, we might be able to find him on the 1891 and 1901 census records to see what if gives as his place of birth,
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