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Hi Rosemarie.

Rosemarie posted a request on the "Quizzes and Games" board.........

"Looking for my Grandads family. Parents William Frederick and Julia Mary Cooper (nee Johnson) living at 162 Barnsbury Road, Islington when my Grandad Stanley Cooper was born in 1896 with brothers Joseph, Frederick and sister Ethel. Found them on 1901 census living in Chester Road Edmonton with a new child Harold but no sign of their father William Frederick. Found them again on the 1911 census Children now in Bertram Road Enfield in but no sign of their Mother Julia or elder brother Joseph. Other members living at the address must be relatives Mary Ann, Edith Mary, Emily Annie and Percy Cooper. Living relatives say William Frederick had left the family and gone to America???
Please can anyone one help me find out how the Enfield family are related to my Coopers and what happened to my Grandads mother Julia Mary?"

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I have been doing some research and will post all my findings......


Rosemarie........Do you know when and where William Frederick Cooper was born??.......and who his parents were?

When and where did he marry Julia Mary Johnson??.......I am not seeing a marriage for that couple!

It is my guess (feel free to correct me if I am wrong) that William Frederick Cooper was born 1858 Baintree, Essex


Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
Cooper William Frederick Braintree 4a 327

The son of Joseph Cooper and Caroline Craske.

William on the 1881 census........
William Cooper in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Cooper
Age:,23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relationship to Head: Son
Spouse: Mary A. Cooper
Father: Joseph Cooper
Mother: Caroline Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born Braintree, Essex, England
Civil Parish Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 6 Cranston Rd
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Confectioner Jobber <<<<<
Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
Household Members:


Joseph Cooper 57
Caroline Cooper 54
William Cooper 23 Married...Confectioner.......??
Mary A. Cooper 26 Married.....Daughter in Law
Joseph Cooper 24
Alfred Cooper 15
Arthur Cooper 4 wks? Grandson

His marriage to Mary Ann........

William Frederick Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: William Frederick Cooper (Bachelor) Baker
Spouse: Mary Ann Crutwell (Spinster)
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jan 1880
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Joseph Cooper (Miller)
Spouse Father: John Crutwell (Captain in Merchant Service) Deceased
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: William Reed and Ann Mary Noble

If my information is correct......I believe that even though William was married to Mary Ann, he also had children with Julia Mary (Who he didn't actually marry?) and Mary Ann ended up with 4 of William and Julia's children on the 1911 census.

How do you know Julia Mary's maiden name was Johnson??

Give me a few mins to post all the other info........

Mary Ann in 1891.......

Name: Mary Ann Cooper
Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
Town: Lewisham Sydenham Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England

Household Members:

Mary Ann Cooper 36 (Married)
William F Cooper 8
Percey Cooper 3
Edith Cooper 2
Emily Cooper 1/12

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Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Cooper William Frederick Lewisham 1d 1116

??
Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
COOPER Percy Islington 1b 201

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
COOPER Edith Mary Lewisham 1d 1124

Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
Cooper Emily Annie Lewisham 1d 1201

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This might be the Grandson who appears on the 1881 census age 4 weeks?

Arthur John Cooper in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Arthur John Cooper
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 597




Mary A Cooper in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary A Cooper
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham

Household Members:

Mary A Cooper 45 (Married)
Emily A Cooper 10


Mary Ann Cooper in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Cooper
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Enfield
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 111 Bush Hill Pk, Bertram Rd, Enfield
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Edmonton

Household Members:

Mary Ann Cooper 50
Percy Cooper 23
Edith Mary Cooper 22
Emily Annie Cooper 20
Ethel Beatrice Cooper 16
Frederick Cooper 15
Stanley Cooper 14
Harold Cooper 12

Married 32 years........12 children born, 9 living , 3 had died.

Julia in 1901........

Julia Cooper in the 1901 England Census
Name: Julia Cooper
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Mile End, London, England
Civil Parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Household Members:


Julia Cooper 38 Married (Husband Chef away)
Joseph Cooper 8 Barnsbury, London
Ethel Cooper 6 Barnsbury, London
Fred Cooper 5 Barnsbury, London
Stanley Cooper 4 Barnsbury, London
Harold Cooper 2 Edmonton, Middlesex

I think these baptism's prove that the children with Mary Ann Cooper on the 1911 census, are actually the children of Julia Mary!


Joseph Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Joseph Cooper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1892
Born: 21st Aug 1892
Father's name: William Frederick Cooper....Confectioner...117 Barnsbury Road
Mother's name: Julia Mary Cooper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers



Ethel Beatrice Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Ethel Beatrice Cooper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 May 1894
Born: 3rd Apr 1894
Father's name: William Frederick Cooper....Pastry Cook
Mother's name: Julia Mari Cooper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers


Stanley Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Stanley Cooper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1896
Born: 25th Aug 1896
Father's name: William Frederick Cooper ...Cook...162 Barnsbury Road <<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Julia Mary Cooper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

On the same page.......

William Cooper......Born: 24th Aug 1892

There must be an error on one of the baptism records..

If Joseph was born 21st Aug 1892.......Frederick could not have been born..24th Aug 1892.

??

Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
Cooper Frederick Islington 1b 318

William Frederick on the 1891 census........

William F Cooper in the 1891 England Census
Name:William F Cooper
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation:Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Braintree, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Town:London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Household Members:

Samuel P Kilburn 66
Annie Kilburn 58
Henry Stone 32
Elizabeth Stone 22
Frank C Law 28
William F Cooper 33 (Single!) Pastry Cook.....Conf (Confectioner)
Henry Walden 29
James Parker 19
George E Robinson 20

Mary Ann's daughter Edith Mary is a patient on the 1901 census

Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

She appears as..........Edith Amry Medow Cooper

Here is Julia's son Joseph on the 1911 census.......

Joseph Cooper in the 1911 England Census
Name: Joseph Cooper
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Barnsbury, London, England
Civil Parish: Aveley
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 4 Coronation Cottage, Mill Rd, Aveley, Essex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Railway Porter
Registration district: Orsett
Household Members:


George Thorogood 58
Lavinia Thorogood 55
Harry Thorogood 22
Joseph Cooper 19 <<<<<
George Tyler 23

Mary Ann Crutwell in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mary Ann Crutwell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Jul 1854
Father's name: John Crutwell ....Master Mariner...2? Patterson Street
Mother's name: Mary Ann Crutwell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Births Jun 1854 (>99%)
Crutwell Mary Ann Stepney 1c 517





I will be interested to know what you think Rosemarie.

Prickles. :-)

Julia Mary ??
Not sure about the baptism, unless she was 15 when baptised.

EDIT: Yes, the image says "adult" in the margin.



Julia Mary Johnson
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Julia Mary Johnson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Dec 1878
Father's name: Thomas Johnson
Mother's name: Sarah Jane Johnson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Peter, West Dulwich
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers


Julia M Johnson
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Julia M Johnson
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Johnson
Mother's name: Sarah J Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 125
Piece: 672
Folio: 16
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Johnson 37
Sarah J Johnson 36
Sarah A Johnson 10
Julia M Johnson 8
Stephen T Johnson 6
Fanny C Johnson 4
George F Johnson 3
Clara L Johnson 1


Julia M. Johnson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Julia M. Johnson
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Johnson
Mother: Sarah J. Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 17 Catherine St
Occupation: Machinist (S)
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 598
Folio: 116
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Johnson 47
Sarah J. Johnson 46
Julia M. Johnson 18
Stephen T. Johnson 16
George F. Johnson 12
Clara L. Johnson 10
Louisa C.R. Johnson 8
Ellen G. Johnson 5
Arthur C. Johnson 3
Sophia Johnson 1



Julia Mary Johnson
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Julia Mary Johnson
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Johnson
Mother's name: Sarah Jane Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Reading
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Reading
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 992
Folio: 122
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Johnson 58
Sarah Jane Johnson 57
Julia Mary Johnson 29
Louisa Caroline Rodney Johnson 18
Ellen G Johnson 15
Arthur Charles Johnson 13
Sophia Johnson 10


Then in 1901 she's listed as Cooper, as posted by PH.

Ethel Beatrice Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Ethel Beatrice Cooper
Spouse: Charles Hull
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 29 May 1921
Parish: St Andrew, Enfield
Borough: Enfield
Register Type: Parish Register


Ethel Beatrice Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Ethel Beatrice Cooper (Spinster) 111 Bertram Road
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Age: 26
Spouse: Arthur Charles Hull (Bachelor) Labourer
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jun 1921
Parish: St Andrew, Enfield
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: William Frederick Cooper (Chef)
Spouse Father: Arthur Hull (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: William F Cooper and Stanley Cooper


Ethel Beatrice Hull in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ethel Beatrice Hull
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1894
Date of Registration: Jun 1971
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 109


Arthur Charles Hull in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Arthur Charles Hull
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1895
Date of Registration: Jun 1969
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 81

Joseph Cooper in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1853-1928
Name: Joseph Cooper
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1892 <<<<<
Birth Place: Islington, London
Occ: Van Guard
Service number: J2860
First Service Date: 19 Aug 1908
First Ship Served On: Ganges
Last Service Date: 20 Aug 1922
Last Ship Served On: Danae

I don't see Julia Mary after 1901 - have tried Johnson; Cooper; blank surname in case she married although I can't see a likely marriage; emigration (would she abandon all her children??).
Don't see her death before 1911 - or later for that matter - at least not as Johnson or Cooper.

Still searching.

Her birth, just for the record:

Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
JOHNSON Julia Maria Mile Edn 1c 567

I am wondering wherever William Frederick went........Julia went with him?

What an amazing woman Mary Ann was to take on the children of her husbands mistress!

Mary Ann appears on the Electoral Register 1911--1933

At the same residence of:....111 Bertram Road.

Mary Ann Cooper in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Mary Ann Cooper
Year: 1920
County or Borough: Enfield
Residence: 111 Berrtam Road

With.......Harold, Percy and Stanley.

Her age varies on the census records.......she claims to be age 50 on the 1911 census (Born 1861)

Possibly her death.......

??

Mary A Cooper in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary A Cooper
Birth Date: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Jun 1935
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 743


Stanley Cooper in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Stanley Cooper
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1896 <<<<<
Date of Registration: Sep 1981
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 0466

Looks like death of Percy:

Percy Cooper
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Percy Cooper
Birth Place: Holloway, Middlesex
Residence: Epping, Essex
Death Date: 18 Nov 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Warley, Essex
Rank: Private
Regiment: Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex) Regiment
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Regimental Number: G/43062
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly G/11883, Royal West Surrey Regt

However, I can't see this on the CWGC website..

Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
Cooper Harold Edmonton 3a 482

??

Harold Cooper in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harold Cooper
Birth Date: abt 1898
Date of Registration: Jun 1957
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 347


Harold Cooper in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Harold Cooper
Probate Date: 13 May 1957
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 13 Apr 1957
Death Place: Middlesex, England

Of 99 Leighton Road, Enfield, Middlesex.........at South Lodge Hospital, Enfield.

To Stanley Cooper.......retired civil servant.....Effects: £894

Like you, PH, I have assumed that if WF did emigrate, then Julia went too.

Can't see them anywhere, though.

Maybe they changed their names ??!

I can't spot them either. :-(

Mary Ann's son William Frederick......

William Frederick Cooper in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: William Frederick Cooper
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1880
Birth Place: Forest Hill, Kent, England
Enlistment Age: 39
Marriage Date: 2 Nov 1914
Marriage Place: Edmonton
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 697868
Regiment Name: Labour Corps
Number of Images: 7
Form Title: Short Service Attestation



Family Members:

Name

Relation to Soldier


William Frederick Cooper Self (Head)
Charlotte Locking Spouse
Margorie Florence Cooper Child...Born: 21/10/11 Herford
Emily Rose Cooper Child...Born: 29/02/13 Hertford
George William Cooper Child...Born: 30/07/14 Edmonton
William Frederick Cooper Child...Born: 24/05/19 Herford


William Frederick Cooper in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Frederick Cooper
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Forest Hill, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Great Amwell Hoddesdon Rural
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Woollens Brook, Hertford Heath, Herts
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Male Nurse
Registration district: Ware
Sub-registration district: Hoddesdon

Household Members:

William Frederick Cooper 29
Charlotte Cooper 20

States married under one year.....but they didn't actually marry until 1914......


Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Cooper William F Locking Edmonton 3a 1170
Locking Charlotte Cooper Edmonton 3a 1170



Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Cooper Marjorie F Locking Hertford 3a 1460

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Cooper Emily R Locking Hertford 3a 1557

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
COOPER George W Locking Edmonton 3a 1479

Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Cooper William F Locking Hertford 3a 1062

Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
Cooper Percy K Locking Hertford 3a 1443

Percy's Medal Card:


Name:
Percy Cooper

Regiment or Corps:
Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex) Regiment, North Staffordshire (Prince of Wales's) Regiment

Regimental Number:
21250, 43062

My PM hasn't been opened yet.

Now opened.

Marjorie F Cooper in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Marjorie F Cooper
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1931
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Charles W Papper
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 980

2 children born to the Papper/Cooper marriage......


Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Papper June E Cooper Ware 3a 1297

Births Dec 1932 (>99%)
Papper Barbara F Cooper Ware 3a 1107

Second marriage........

Marjorie F Papper in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Marjorie F Papper
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1978
Registration district: Hertford and Ware
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Spouse: Reginald E Gregory
Volume Number: 10
Page Number: 0577

Marjorie Florence Gregory in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Marjorie Florence Gregory
Birth Date: 21 Oct 1912
Date of Registration: Apr 1986
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Hertford and Ware
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 381


??
Emily R Cooper in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Emily R Cooper
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Registration district: Hertford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Spouse: Ernest G Williams
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1983


Emily R Williams in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emily R Williams
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Sep 1967
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Hertford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 125



Marriages Jun 1947 (>99%)
COOPER Percy K Davy Hertford 4b 233
Davy Muriel A Cooper Hertford 4b 233

(2 possible births showing for this marriage....you can check them out on this free site.........http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl.


Percy Kenneth Cooper in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Percy Kenneth Cooper
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1922
Date of Registration: Jun 1979
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Hertford and Ware
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 0380

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